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Translated by Benjamin Jowett

INTRODUCTION AND ANALYSIS. 

PHILEBUS  

INTRODUCTION AND ANALYSIS.

The Philebus appears to be one of the later writings of Plato, in  which the  style has begun to alter, and the

dramatic and poetical  element has become  subordinate to the speculative and philosophical.  In the

development of  abstract thought great advances have been made  on the Protagoras or the  Phaedrus, and even

on the Republic.  But  there is a corresponding  diminution of artistic skill, a want of  character in the persons, a

laboured march in the dialogue, and a  degree of confusion and  incompleteness in the general design.  As in

the speeches of Thucydides,  the multiplication of ideas seems to  interfere with the power of  expression.

Instead of the equally  diffused grace and ease of the earlier  dialogues there occur two or  three

highlywrought passages; instead of the  everflowing play of  humour, now appearing, now concealed, but

always  present, are inserted  a good many bad jests, as we may venture to term  them.  We may observe  an

attempt at artificial ornament, and farfetched  modes of  expression; also clamorous demands on the part of

his companions,  that  Socrates shall answer his own questions, as well as other defects of  style, which remind

us of the Laws.  The connection is often abrupt  and  inharmonious, and far from clear.  Many points require

further  explanation;  e.g. the reference of pleasure to the indefinite class,  compared with the  assertion which

almost immediately follows, that  pleasure and pain  naturally have their seat in the third or mixed  class:  these

two  statements are unreconciled.  In like manner, the  table of goods does not  distinguish between the two

heads of measure  and symmetry; and though a  hint is given that the divine mind has the  first place, nothing is

said of  this in the final summing up.  The  relation of the goods to the sciences  does not appear; though

dialectic may be thought to correspond to the  highest good, the  sciences and arts and true opinions are

enumerated in the  fourth  class.  We seem to have an intimation of a further discussion, in  which some topics

lightly passed over were to receive a fuller  consideration.  The various uses of the word 'mixed,' for the mixed

life,  the mixed class of elements, the mixture of pleasures, or of  pleasure and  pain, are a further source of

perplexity.  Our ignorance  of the opinions  which Plato is attacking is also an element of  obscurity.  Many

things in a  controversy might seem relevant, if we  knew to what they were intended to  refer.  But no

conjecture will  enable us to supply what Plato has not told  us; or to explain, from  our fragmentary knowledge

of them, the relation in  which his doctrine  stood to the Eleatic Being or the Megarian good, or to  the theories

of  Aristippus or Antisthenes respecting pleasure.  Nor are we  able to say  how far Plato in the Philebus

conceives the finite and infinite  (which  occur both in the fragments of Philolaus and in the Pythagorean  table

of opposites) in the same manner as contemporary Pythagoreans. 

There is little in the characters which is worthy of remark.  The  Socrates  of the Philebus is devoid of any

touch of Socratic irony,  though here, as  in the Phaedrus, he twice attributes the flow of his  ideas to a sudden

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inspiration.  The interlocutor Protarchus, the son  of Callias, who has been  a hearer of Gorgias, is supposed to

begin as  a disciple of the partisans of  pleasure, but is drawn over to the  opposite side by the arguments of

Socrates.  The instincts of  ingenuous youth are easily induced to take the  better part.  Philebus,  who has

withdrawn from the argument, is several  times brought back  again, that he may support pleasure, of which he

remains  to the end  the uncompromising advocate.  On the other hand, the youthful  group of  listeners by whom

he is surrounded, 'Philebus' boys' as they are  termed, whose presence is several times intimated, are described

as  all of  them at last convinced by the arguments of Socrates.  They bear  a very  faded resemblance to the

interested audiences of the Charmides,  Lysis, or  Protagoras.  Other signs of relation to external life in the

dialogue, or  references to contemporary things and persons, with the  single exception of  the allusions to the

anonymous enemies of  pleasure, and the teachers of the  flux, there are none. 

The omission of the doctrine of recollection, derived from a  previous state  of existence, is a note of progress

in the philosophy  of Plato.  The  transcendental theory of preexistent ideas, which is  chiefly discussed by  him

in the Meno, the Phaedo, and the Phaedrus,  has given way to a  psychological one.  The omission is rendered

more  significant by his having  occasion to speak of memory as the basis of  desire.  Of the ideas he treats  in

the same sceptical spirit which  appears in his criticism of them in the  Parmenides.  He touches on the  same

difficulties and he gives no answer to  them.  His mode of  speaking of the analytical and synthetical processes

may  be compared  with his discussion of the same subject in the Phaedrus; here  he  dwells on the importance

of dividing the genera into all the species,  while in the Phaedrus he conveys the same truth in a figure, when

he  speaks  of carving the whole, which is described under the image of a  victim, into  parts or members,

'according to their natural  articulation, without  breaking any of them.'  There is also a  difference, which may

be noted,  between the two dialogues.  For  whereas in the Phaedrus, and also in the  Symposium, the

dialectician  is described as a sort of enthusiast or lover,  in the Philebus, as in  all the later writings of Plato,

the element of love  is wanting; the  topic is only introduced, as in the Republic, by way of  illustration.  On

other subjects of which they treat in common, such as the  nature  and kinds of pleasure, true and false opinion,

the nature of the  good,  the order and relation of the sciences, the Republic is less advanced  than the Philebus,

which contains, perhaps, more metaphysical truth  more  obscurely expressed than any other Platonic dialogue.

Here, as  Plato  expressly tells us, he is 'forging weapons of another make,'  i.e. new  categories and modes of

conception, though 'some of the old  ones might do  again.' 

But if superior in thought and dialectical power, the Philebus  falls very  far short of the Republic in fancy and

feeling.  The  development of the  reason undisturbed by the emotions seems to be the  ideal at which Plato  aims

in his later dialogues.  There is no mystic  enthusiasm or rapturous  contemplation of ideas.  Whether we

attribute  this change to the greater  feebleness of age, or to the development of  the quarrel between philosophy

and poetry in Plato's own mind, or  perhaps, in some degree, to a  carelessness about artistic effect, when  he

was absorbed in abstract ideas,  we can hardly be wrong in assuming,  amid such a variety of indications,

derived from style as well as  subject, that the Philebus belongs to the  later period of his life and  authorship.

But in this, as in all the later  writings of Plato, there  are not wanting thoughts and expressions in which  he

rises to his  highest level. 

The plan is complicated, or rather, perhaps, the want of plan  renders the  progress of the dialogue difficult to

follow.  A few  leading ideas seem to  emerge:  the relation of the one and many, the  four original elements, the

kinds of pleasure, the kinds of knowledge,  the scale of goods.  These are  only partially connected with one

another.  The dialogue is not rightly  entitled 'Concerning pleasure'  or 'Concerning good,' but should rather be

described as treating of  the relations of pleasure and knowledge, after  they have been duly  analyzed, to the

good.  (1) The question is asked,  whether pleasure or  wisdom is the chief good, or some nature higher than

either; and if  the latter, how pleasure and wisdom are related to this  higher good.  (2) Before we can reply

with exactness, we must know the kinds  of  pleasure and the kinds of knowledge.  (3) But still we may affirm

generally, that the combined life of pleasure and wisdom or knowledge  has  more of the character of the good

than either of them when  isolated.  (4)  to determine which of them partakes most of the higher  nature, we

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secondly, the  finite; thirdly, the union of the  two; fourthly, the cause of the  union.  Pleasure is of the first,

wisdom or  knowledge of the third  class, while reason or mind is akin to the fourth or  highest. 

(5) Pleasures are of two kinds, the mixed and unmixed.  Of mixed  pleasures  there are three classes(a) those

in which both the  pleasures and pains  are corporeal, as in eating and hunger; (b) those  in which there is a pain

of the body and pleasure of the mind, as when  you are hungry and are  looking forward to a feast; (c) those in

which  the pleasure and pain are  both mental.  Of unmixed pleasures there are  four kinds:  those of sight,

hearing, smell, knowledge. 

(6) The sciences are likewise divided into two classes, theoretical  and  productive:  of the latter, one part is

pure, the other impure.  The pure  part consists of arithmetic, mensuration, and weighing.  Arts like

carpentering, which have an exact measure, are to be  regarded as higher  than music, which for the most part

is mere  guesswork.  But there is also  a higher arithmetic, and a higher  mensuration, which is exclusively

theoretical; and a dialectical  science, which is higher still and the  truest and purest knowledge. 

(7) We are now able to determine the composition of the perfect  life.  First, we admit the pure pleasures and

the pure sciences;  secondly, the  impure sciences, but not the impure pleasures.  We have  next to discover  what

element of goodness is contained in this  mixture.  There are three  criteria of goodnessbeauty, symmetry,

truth.  These are clearly more akin  to reason than to pleasure, and  will enable us to fix the places of both of

them in the scale of good.  First in the scale is measure; the second place  is assigned to  symmetry; the third, to

reason and wisdom; the fourth, to  knowledge  and true opinion; the fifth, to pure pleasures; and here the Muse

says  'Enough.' 

'Bidding farewell to Philebus and Socrates,' we may now consider  the  metaphysical conceptions which are

presented to us.  These are (I)  the  paradox of unity and plurality; (II) the table of categories or  elements;  (III)

the kinds of pleasure; (IV) the kinds of knowledge;  (V) the  conception of the good.  We may then proceed to

examine (VI)  the relation  of the Philebus to the Republic, and to other dialogues. 

I.  The paradox of the one and many originated in the restless  dialectic of  Zeno, who sought to prove the

absolute existence of the  one by showing the  contradictions that are involved in admitting the  existence of the

many  (compare Parm.).  Zeno illustrated the  contradiction by wellknown examples  taken from outward

objects.  But  Socrates seems to intimate that the time  had arrived for discarding  these hackneyed illustrations;

such difficulties  had long been solved  by common sense ('solvitur ambulando'); the fact of  the coexistence

of opposites was a sufficient answer to them.  He will  leave them to  Cynics and Eristics; the youth of Athens

may discourse of  them to  their parents.  To no rational man could the circumstance that the  body is one, but

has many members, be any longer a stumblingblock. 

Plato's difficulty seems to begin in the region of ideas.  He  cannot  understand how an absolute unity, such as

the Eleatic Being,  can be broken  up into a number of individuals, or be in and out of  them at once.

Philosophy had so deepened or intensified the nature of  one or Being, by  the thoughts of successive

generations, that the mind  could no longer  imagine 'Being' as in a state of change or division.  To say that the

verb  of existence is the copula, or that unity is a  mere unit, is to us easy;  but to the Greek in a particular stage

of  thought such an analysis involved  the same kind of difficulty as the  conception of God existing both in and

out of the world would to  ourselves.  Nor was he assisted by the analogy of  sensible objects.  The sphere of

mind was dark and mysterious to him; but  instead of  being illustrated by sense, the greatest light appeared to

be  thrown  on the nature of ideas when they were contrasted with sense. 

Both here and in the Parmenides, where similar difficulties are  raised,  Plato seems prepared to desert his

ancient ground.  He cannot  tell the  relation in which abstract ideas stand to one another, and  therefore he

transfers the one and many out of his transcendental  world, and proceeds to  lay down practical rules for their

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regular steps, until he arrives at the  idea of good; as in the Sophist and  Politicus he insists that in  dividing the

whole into its parts we should  bisect in the middle in  the hope of finding species; as in the Phaedrus  (see

above) he would  have 'no limb broken' of the organism of knowledge;  so in the  Philebus he urges the

necessity of filling up all the  intermediate  links which occur (compare Bacon's 'media axiomata') in the

passage  from unity to infinity.  With him the idea of science may be said  to  anticipate science; at a time when

the sciences were not yet divided,  he  wants to impress upon us the importance of classification; neither

neglecting the many individuals, nor attempting to count them all, but  finding the genera and species under

which they naturally fall.  Here,  then, and in the parallel passages of the Phaedrus and of the Sophist,  is  found

the germ of the most fruitful notion of modern science. 

Plato describes with ludicrous exaggeration the influence exerted  by the  one and many on the minds of young

men in their first fervour  of  metaphysical enthusiasm (compare Republic).  But they are none the  less an

everlasting quality of reason or reasoning which never grows  old in us.  At  first we have but a confused

conception of them,  analogous to the eyes  blinking at the light in the Republic.  To this  Plato opposes the

revelation from Heaven of the real relations of  them, which some  Prometheus, who gave the true fire from

heaven, is  supposed to have  imparted to us.  Plato is speaking of two things(1)  the crude notion of  the one

and many, which powerfully affects the  ordinary mind when first  beginning to think; (2) the same notion

when  cleared up by the help of  dialectic. 

To us the problem of the one and many has lost its chief interest  and  perplexity.  We readily acknowledge that

a whole has many parts,  that the  continuous is also the divisible, that in all objects of  sense there is a  one and

many, and that a like principle may be  applied to analogy to purely  intellectual conceptions.  If we attend  to

the meaning of the words, we are  compelled to admit that two  contradictory statements are true.  But the

antinomy is so familiar as  to be scarcely observed by us.  Our sense of the  contradiction, like  Plato's, only

begins in a higher sphere, when we speak  of necessity  and freewill, of mind and body, of Three Persons and

One  Substance,  and the like.  The world of knowledge is always dividing more  and  more; every truth is at first

the enemy of every other truth.  Yet  without this division there can be no truth; nor any complete truth  without

the reunion of the parts into a whole.  And hence the  coexistence of  opposites in the unity of the idea is

regarded by Hegel  as the supreme  principle of philosophy; and the law of contradiction,  which is affirmed by

logicians to be an ultimate principle of the  human mind, is displaced by  another law, which asserts the

coexistence  of contradictories as imperfect  and divided elements of the truth.  Without entering further into

the  depths of Hegelianism, we may  remark that this and all similar attempts to  reconcile antinomies have

their origin in the old Platonic problem of the  'One and Many.' 

II.  1.  The first of Plato's categories or elements is the  infinite.  This  is the negative of measure or limit; the

unthinkable,  the unknowable; of  which nothing can be affirmed; the mixture or chaos  which preceded distinct

kinds in the creation of the world; the first  vague impression of sense;  the more or less which refuses to be

reduced to rule, having certain  affinities with evil, with pleasure,  with ignorance, and which in the scale  of

being is farthest removed  from the beautiful and good.  To a Greek of  the age of Plato, the idea  of an infinite

mind would have been an  absurdity.  He would have  insisted that 'the good is of the nature of the  finite,' and

that the  infinite is a mere negative, which is on the level of  sensation, and  not of thought.  He was aware that

there was a distinction  between the  infinitely great and the infinitely small, but he would have  equally  denied

the claim of either to true existence.  Of that positive  infinity, or infinite reality, which we attribute to God, he

had no  conception. 

The Greek conception of the infinite would be more truly described,  in our  way of speaking, as the indefinite.

To us, the notion of  infinity is  subsequent rather than prior to the finite, expressing not  absolute vacancy  or

negation, but only the removal of limit or  restraint, which we suppose  to exist not before but after we have

already set bounds to thought and  matter, and divided them after their  kinds.  From different points of view,

either the finite or infinite  may be looked upon respectively both as  positive and negative (compare  'Omnis

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moderns seem to be  nearly at the opposite poles in their manner of  regarding them.  And  both are surprised

when they make the discovery, as  Plato has done in  the Sophist, how large an element negation forms in the

framework of  their thoughts. 

2, 3.  The finite element which mingles with and regulates the  infinite is  best expressed to us by the word

'law.'  It is that which  measures all  things and assigns to them their limit; which preserves  them in their  natural

state, and brings them within the sphere of  human cognition.  This  is described by the terms harmony, health,

order, perfection, and the like.  All things, in as far as they are  good, even pleasures, which are for the  most

part indefinite, partake  of this element.  We should be wrong in  attributing to Plato the  conception of laws of

nature derived from  observation and experiment.  And yet he has as intense a conviction as any  modern

philosopher that  nature does not proceed by chance.  But observing  that the wonderful  construction of number

and figure, which he had within  himself, and  which seemed to be prior to himself, explained a part of the

phenomena  of the external world, he extended their principles to the whole,  finding in them the true type both

of human life and of the order of  nature. 

Two other points may be noticed respecting the third class.  First,  that  Plato seems to be unconscious of any

interval or chasm which  separates the  finite from the infinite.  The one is in various ways  and degrees working

in the other.  Hence he has implicitly answered  the difficulty with which  he started, of how the one could

remain one  and yet be divided among many  individuals, or 'how ideas could be in  and out of themselves,' and

the  like.  Secondly, that in this mixed  class we find the idea of beauty.  Good, when exhibited under the  aspect

of measure or symmetry, becomes  beauty.  And if we translate  his language into corresponding modern terms,

we shall not be far  wrong in saying that here, as well as in the Republic,  Plato conceives  beauty under the

idea of proportion. 

4.  Last and highest in the list of principles or elements is the  cause of  the union of the finite and infinite, to

which Plato ascribes  the order of  the world.  Reasoning from man to the universe, he argues  that as there is  a

mind in the one, there must be a mind in the other,  which he identifies  with the royal mind of Zeus.  This is

the first  cause of which 'our  ancestors spoke,' as he says, appealing to  tradition, in the Philebus as  well as in

the Timaeus.  The 'one and  many' is also supposed to have been  revealed by tradition.  For the  mythical

element has not altogether  disappeared. 

Some characteristic differences may here be noted, which  distinguish the  ancient from the modern mode of

conceiving God. 

a.  To Plato, the idea of God or mind is both personal and  impersonal.  Nor  in ascribing, as appears to us, both

these attributes  to him, and in  speaking of God both in the masculine and neuter  gender, did he seem to

himself inconsistent.  For the difference  between the personal and  impersonal was not marked to him as to

ourselves.  We make a fundamental  distinction between a thing and a  person, while to Plato, by the help of

various intermediate  abstractions, such as end, good, cause, they appear  almost to meet in  one, or to be two

aspects of the same.  Hence, without  any  reconciliation or even remark, in the Republic he speaks at one time

of  God or Gods, and at another time of the Good.  So in the Phaedrus he  seems  to pass unconsciously from the

concrete to the abstract  conception of the  Ideas in the same dialogue.  Nor in the Philebus is  he careful to

show in  what relation the idea of the divine mind stands  to the supreme principle  of measure. 

b.  Again, to us there is a stronglymarked distinction between a  first  cause and a final cause.  And we should

commonly identify a  first cause  with God, and the final cause with the world, which is His  work.  But  Plato,

though not a Pantheist, and very far from  confounding God with the  world, tends to identify the first with the

final cause.  The cause of the  union of the finite and infinite might  be described as a higher law; the  final

measure which is the highest  expression of the good may also be  described as the supreme law.  Both  these

conceptions are realized chiefly  by the help of the material  world; and therefore when we pass into the  sphere

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The four principles are required for the determination of the  relative  places of pleasure and wisdom.  Plato has

been saying that we  should  proceed by regular steps from the one to the many.  Accordingly, before  assigning

the precedence either to good or  pleasure, he must first find out  and arrange in order the general  principles of

things.  Mind is ascertained  to be akin to the nature of  the cause, while pleasure is found in the  infinite or

indefinite  class.  We may now proceed to divide pleasure and  knowledge after  their kinds. 

III.  1.  Plato speaks of pleasure as indefinite, as relative, as a  generation, and in all these points of view as in a

category distinct  from  good.  For again we must repeat, that to the Greek 'the good is  of the  nature of the

finite,' and, like virtue, either is, or is  nearly allied to,  knowledge.  The modern philosopher would remark that

the indefinite is  equally real with the definite.  Health and mental  qualities are in the  concrete undefined; they

are nevertheless real  goods, and Plato rightly  regards them as falling under the finite  class.  Again, we are able

to  define objects or ideas, not in so far  as they are in the mind, but in so  far as they are manifested  externally,

and can therefore be reduced to rule  and measure.  And if  we adopt the test of definiteness, the pleasures of

the body are more  capable of being defined than any other pleasures.  As in  art and  knowledge generally, we

proceed from without inwards, beginning  with  facts of sense, and passing to the more ideal conceptions of

mental  pleasure, happiness, and the like. 

2.  Pleasure is depreciated as relative, while good is exalted as  absolute.  But this distinction seems to arise

from an unfair mode of  regarding them;  the abstract idea of the one is compared with the  concrete experience

of  the other.  For all pleasure and all knowledge  may be viewed either  abstracted from the mind, or in relation

to the  mind (compare Aristot. Nic.  Ethics).  The first is an idea only, which  may be conceived as absolute and

unchangeable, and then the abstract  idea of pleasure will be equally  unchangeable with that of knowledge.

But when we come to view either as  phenomena of consciousness, the  same defects are for the most part

incident  to both of them.  Our hold  upon them is equally transient and uncertain;  the mind cannot be  always in

a state of intellectual tension, any more than  capable of  feeling pleasure always.  The knowledge which is at

one time  clear and  distinct, at another seems to fade away, just as the pleasure of  health after sickness, or of

eating after hunger, soon passes into a  neutral state of unconsciousness and indifference.  Change and

alternation  are necessary for the mind as well as for the body; and in  this is to be  acknowledged, not an

element of evil, but rather a law  of nature.  The  chief difference between subjective pleasure and  subjective

knowledge in  respect of permanence is that the latter, when  our feeble faculties are  able to grasp it, still

conveys to us an idea  of unchangeableness which  cannot be got rid of. 

3.  In the language of ancient philosophy, the relative character  of  pleasure is described as becoming or

generation.  This is relative  to Being  or Essence, and from one point of view may be regarded as the

Heraclitean  flux in contrast with the Eleatic Being; from another, as  the transient  enjoyment of eating and

drinking compared with the  supposed permanence of  intellectual pleasures.  But to us the  distinction is

unmeaning, and  belongs to a stage of philosophy which  has passed away.  Plato himself  seems to have

suspected that the  continuance or life of things is quite as  much to be attributed to a  principle of rest as of

motion (compare Charm.  Cratyl.).  A later view  of pleasure is found in Aristotle, who agrees with  Plato in

many  points, e.g. in his view of pleasure as a restoration to  nature, in  his distinction between bodily and

mental, between necessary and  nonnecessary pleasures.  But he is also in advance of Plato; for he  affirms

that pleasure is not in the body at all; and hence not even  the  bodily pleasures are to be spoken of as

generations, but only as  accompanied by generation (Nic. Eth.). 

4.  Plato attempts to identify vicious pleasures with some form of  error,  and insists that the term false may be

applied to them:  in  this he appears  to be carrying out in a confused manner the Socratic  doctrine, that virtue  is

knowledge, vice ignorance.  He will allow of  no distinction between the  pleasures and the erroneous opinions

on  which they are founded, whether  arising out of the illusion of  distance or not.  But to this we naturally

reply with Protarchus, that  the pleasure is what it is, although the  calculation may be false, or  the

aftereffects painful.  It is difficult to  acquit Plato, to use  his own language, of being a 'tyro in dialectics,'

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thought in those who view things  differently from  ourselves. 

5.  There appears also to be an incorrectness in the notion which  occurs  both here and in the Gorgias, of the

simultaneousness of merely  bodily  pleasures and pains.  We may, perhaps, admit, though even this  is not free

from doubt, that the feeling of pleasureable hope or  recollection is, or  rather may be, simultaneous with acute

bodily  suffering.  But there is no  such coexistence of the pain of thirst  with the pleasures of drinking; they  are

not really simultaneous, for  the one expels the other.  Nor does Plato  seem to have considered that  the bodily

pleasures, except in certain  extreme cases, are unattended  with pain.  Few philosophers will deny that a  degree

of pleasure  attends eating and drinking; and yet surely we might as  well speak of  the pains of digestion which

follow, as of the pains of  hunger and  thirst which precede them.  Plato's conception is derived partly  from  the

extreme case of a man suffering pain from hunger or thirst, partly  from the image of a full and empty vessel.

But the truth is rather,  that  while the gratification of our bodily desires constantly affords  some  degree of

pleasure, the antecedent pains are scarcely perceived  by us,  being almost done away with by use and

regularity. 

6.  The desire to classify pleasures as accompanied or not  accompanied by  antecedent pains, has led Plato to

place under one head  the pleasures of  smell and sight, as well as those derived from sounds  of music and

from  knowledge.  He would have done better to make a  separate class of the  pleasures of smell, having no

association of  mind, or perhaps to have  divided them into natural and artificial.  The pleasures of sight and

sound  might then have been regarded as  being the expression of ideas.  But this  higher and truer point of  view

never appears to have occurred to Plato.  Nor has he any  distinction between the fine arts and the mechanical;

and,  neither  here nor anywhere, an adequate conception of the beautiful in  external  things. 

7.  Plato agrees partially with certain 'surly or fastidious'  philosophers,  as he terms them, who defined pleasure

to be the absence  of pain.  They are  also described as eminent in physics.  There is  unfortunately no school of

Greek philosophy known to us which combined  these two characteristics.  Antisthenes, who was an enemy of

pleasure,  was not a physical philosopher;  the atomists, who were physical  philosophers, were not enemies of

pleasure.  Yet such a combination of  opinions is far from being impossible.  Plato's  omission to mention  them

by name has created the same uncertainty  respecting them which  also occurs respecting the 'friends of the

ideas' and  the  'materialists' in the Sophist. 

On the whole, this discussion is one of the least satisfactory in  the  dialogues of Plato.  While the ethical nature

of pleasure is  scarcely  considered, and the merely physical phenomenon imperfectly  analysed, too  much

weight is given to ideas of measure and number, as  the sole principle  of good.  The comparison of pleasure

and knowledge  is really a comparison  of two elements, which have no common measure,  and which cannot

be excluded  from each other.  Feeling is not opposed  to knowledge, and in all  consciousness there is an

element of both.  The most abstract kinds of  knowledge are inseparable from some  pleasure or pain, which

accompanies the  acquisition or possession of  them:  the student is liable to grow weary of  them, and soon

discovers  that continuous mental energy is not granted to  men.  The most sensual  pleasure, on the other hand,

is inseparable from the  consciousness of  pleasure; no man can be happy who, to borrow Plato's  illustration, is

leading the life of an oyster.  Hence (by his own  confession) the main  thesis is not worth determining; the real

interest  lies in the  incidental discussion.  We can no more separate pleasure from  knowledge in the Philebus

than we can separate justice from happiness  in  the Republic. 

IV.  An interesting account is given in the Philebus of the rank  and order  of the sciences or arts, which agrees

generally with the  scheme of  knowledge in the Sixth Book of the Republic.  The chief  difference is, that  the

position of the arts is more exactly defined.  They are divided into an  empirical part and a scientific part, of

which the first is mere guess  work, the second is determined by rule  and measure.  Of the more empirical

arts, music is given as an  example; this, although affirmed to be necessary  to human life, is  depreciated.

Music is regarded from a point of view  entirely opposite  to that of the Republic, not as a sublime science,

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is here adopted, it is rightly placed  lower  in the scale than carpentering, because the latter is more capable of

being reduced to measure. 

The theoretical element of the arts may also become a purely  abstract  science, when separated from matter,

and is then said to be  pure and  unmixed.  The distinction which Plato here makes seems to be  the same as  that

between pure and applied mathematics, and may be  expressed in the  modern formulascience is art

theoretical, art is  science practical.  In  the reason which he gives for the superiority  of the pure science of

number  over the mixed or applied, we can only  agree with him in part.  He says  that the numbers which the

philosopher employs are always the same, whereas  the numbers which are  used in practice represent different

sizes or  quantities.  He does not  see that this power of expressing different  quantities by the same  symbol is

the characteristic and not the defect of  numbers, and is due  to their abstract nature;although we admit of

course  what Plato  seems to feel in his distinctions between pure and impure  knowledge,  that the imperfection

of matter enters into the applications of  them. 

Above the other sciences, as in the Republic, towers dialectic,  which is  the science of eternal Being,

apprehended by the purest mind  and reason.  The lower sciences, including the mathematical, are akin  to

opinion rather  than to reason, and are placed together in the  fourth class of goods.  The  relation in which they

stand to dialectic  is obscure in the Republic, and  is not cleared up in the Philebus. 

V.  Thus far we have only attained to the vestibule or antechamber  of the  good; for there is a good exceeding

knowledge, exceeding  essence, which,  like Glaucon in the Republic, we find a difficulty in  apprehending.

This  good is now to be exhibited to us under various  aspects and gradations.  The relative dignity of pleasure

and knowledge  has been determined; but  they have not yet received their exact  position in the scale of goods.

Some difficulties occur to us in the  enumeration:  First, how are we to  distinguish the first from the  second

class of goods, or the second from  the third?  Secondly, why is  there no mention of the supreme mind?

Thirdly, the nature of the  fourth class.  Fourthly, the meaning of the  allusion to a sixth class,  which is not

further investigated. 

(I) Plato seems to proceed in his table of goods, from the more  abstract to  the less abstract; from the

subjective to the objective;  until at the lower  end of the scale we fairly descend into the region  of human

action and  feeling.  To him, the greater the abstraction the  greater the truth, and he  is always tending to see

abstractions within  abstractions; which, like the  ideas in the Parmenides, are always  appearing one behind

another.  Hence we  find a difficulty in following  him into the sphere of thought which he is  seeking to attain.

First  in his scale of goods he places measure, in which  he finds the eternal  nature:  this would be more

naturally expressed in  modern language as  eternal law, and seems to be akin both to the finite and  to the mind

or cause, which were two of the elements in the former table.  Like the  supreme nature in the Timaeus, like

the ideal beauty in the  Symposium  or the Phaedrus, or like the ideal good in the Republic, this is  the  absolute

and unapproachable being.  But this being is manifested in  symmetry and beauty everywhere, in the order of

nature and of mind, in  the  relations of men to one another.  For the word 'measure' he now  substitutes  the

word 'symmetry,' as if intending to express measure  conceived as  relation.  He then proceeds to regard the

good no longer  in an objective  form, but as the human reason seeking to attain truth  by the aid of  dialectic;

such at least we naturally infer to be his  meaning, when we  consider that both here and in the Republic the

sphere of nous or mind is  assigned to dialectic.  (2) It is remarkable  (see above) that this personal  conception

of mind is confined to the  human mind, and not extended to the  divine.  (3) If we may be allowed  to interpret

one dialogue of Plato by  another, the sciences of figure  and number are probably classed with the  arts and

true opinions,  because they proceed from hypotheses (compare  Republic).  (4) The  sixth class, if a sixth class

is to be added, is  playfully set aside  by a quotation from Orpheus:  Plato means to say that a  sixth class,  if

there be such a class, is not worth considering, because  pleasure,  having only gained the fifth place in the

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VI.  We may now endeavour to ascertain the relation of the Philebus  to the  other dialogues.  Here Plato shows

the same indifference to his  own  doctrine of Ideas which he has already manifested in the  Parmenides and the

Sophist.  The principle of the one and many of  which he here speaks, is  illustrated by examples in the Sophist

and  Statesman.  Notwithstanding the  differences of style, many  resemblances may be noticed between the

Philebus  and Gorgias.  The  theory of the simultaneousness of pleasure and pain is  common to both  of them

(Phil. Gorg.); there is also a common tendency in  them to take  up arms against pleasure, although the view of

the Philebus,  which is  probably the later of the two dialogues, is the more moderate.  There  seems to be an

allusion to the passage in the Gorgias, in which  Socrates dilates on the pleasures of itching and scratching.

Nor is  there  any real discrepancy in the manner in which Gorgias and his art  are spoken  of in the two

dialogues.  For Socrates is far from implying  that the art of  rhetoric has a real sphere of practical usefulness:

he only means that the  refutation of the claims of Gorgias is not  necessary for his present  purpose.  He is

saying in effect:  'Admit,  if you please, that rhetoric is  the greatest and usefullest of  sciences:this does not

prove that  dialectic is not the purest and  most exact.'  From the Sophist and  Statesman we know that his

hostility towards the sophists and rhetoricians  was not mitigated in  later life; although both in the Statesman

and Laws he  admits of a  higher use of rhetoric. 

Reasons have been already given for assigning a late date to the  Philebus.  That the date is probably later than

that of the Republic,  may be further  argued on the following grounds:1. The general  resemblance to the

later  dialogues and to the Laws:  2. The more  complete account of the nature of  good and pleasure:  3. The

distinction between perception, memory,  recollection, and opinion  which indicates a great progress in

psychology;  also between  understanding and imagination, which is described under the  figure of  the scribe

and the painter.  A superficial notion may arise that  Plato  probably wrote shorter dialogues, such as the

Philebus, the Sophist,  and the Statesman, as studies or preparations for longer ones.  This  view  may be

natural; but on further reflection is seen to be  fallacious, because  these three dialogues are found to make an

advance  upon the metaphysical  conceptions of the Republic.  And we can more  easily suppose that Plato

composed shorter writings after longer ones,  than suppose that he lost hold  of further points of view which he

had  once attained. 

It is more easy to find traces of the Pythagoreans, Eleatics,  Megarians,  Cynics, Cyrenaics and of the ideas of

Anaxagoras, in the  Philebus, than to  say how much is due to each of them.  Had we fuller  records of those old

philosophers, we should probably find Plato in  the midst of the fray  attempting to combine Eleatic and

Pythagorean  doctrines, and seeking to  find a truth beyond either Being or number;  setting up his own

concrete  conception of good against the abstract  practical good of the Cynics, or  the abstract intellectual good

of the  Megarians, and his own idea of  classification against the denial of  plurality in unity which is also

attributed to them; warring against  the Eristics as destructive of truth,  as he had formerly fought  against the

Sophists; taking up a middle position  between the Cynics  and Cyrenaics in his doctrine of pleasure; asserting

with more  consistency than Anaxagoras the existence of an intelligent mind  and  cause.  Of the Heracliteans,

whom he is said by Aristotle to have  cultivated in his youth, he speaks in the Philebus, as in the  Theaetetus

and Cratylus, with irony and contempt.  But we have not the  knowledge which  would enable us to pursue

further the line of  reflection here indicated;  nor can we expect to find perfect clearness  or order in the first

efforts  of mankind to understand the working of  their own minds.  The ideas which  they are attempting to

analyse, they  are also in process of creating; the  abstract universals of which they  are seeking to adjust the

relations have  been already excluded by them  from the category of relation. 

... 

The Philebus, like the Cratylus, is supposed to be the continuation  of a  previous discussion.  An argument

respecting the comparative  claims of  pleasure and wisdom to rank as the chief good has been  already carried

on  between Philebus and Socrates.  The argument is now  transferred to  Protarchus, the son of Callias, a noble

Athenian youth,  sprung from a  family which had spent 'a world of money' on the  Sophists (compare Apol.;

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takes no further part in the  discussion beyond asserting in the  strongest manner his adherence, under  all

circumstances, to the cause  of pleasure. 

Socrates suggests that they shall have a first and second palm of  victory.  For there may be a good higher than

either pleasure or  wisdom, and then  neither of them will gain the first prize, but  whichever of the two is more

akin to this higher good will have a  right to the second.  They agree, and  Socrates opens the game by

enlarging on the diversity and opposition which  exists among  pleasures.  For there are pleasures of all kinds,

good and  bad, wise  and foolishpleasures of the temperate as well as of the  intemperate.  Protarchus replies

that although pleasures may be opposed in  so far  as they spring from opposite sources, nevertheless as

pleasures they  are alike.  Yes, retorts Socrates, pleasure is like pleasure, as  figure is  like figure and colour like

colour; yet we all know that  there is great  variety among figures and colours.  Protarchus does not  see the drift

of  this remark; and Socrates proceeds to ask how he can  have a right to  attribute a new predicate (i.e. 'good')

to pleasures  in general, when he  cannot deny that they are different?  What common  property in all of them

does he mean to indicate by the term 'good'?  If he continues to assert  that there is some trivial sense in which

pleasure is one, Socrates may  retort by saying that knowledge is one,  but the result will be that such  merely

verbal and trivial  conceptions, whether of knowledge or pleasure,  will spoil the  discussion, and will prove the

incapacity of the two  disputants.  In  order to avoid this danger, he proposes that they shall  beat a  retreat, and,

before they proceed, come to an understanding about  the  'high argument' of the one and the many. 

Protarchus agrees to the proposal, but he is under the impression  that  Socrates means to discuss the common

questionhow a sensible  object can be  one, and yet have opposite attributes, such as 'great'  and 'small,' 'light'

and 'heavy,' or how there can be many members in  one body, and the like  wonders.  Socrates has long ceased

to see any  wonder in these phenomena;  his difficulties begin with the application  of number to abstract

unities  (e.g.'man,' 'good') and with the attempt  to divide them.  For have these  unities of idea any real

existence?  How, if imperishable, can they enter  into the world of generation?  How, as units, can they be

divided and  dispersed among different  objects?  Or do they exist in their entirety in  each object?  These

difficulties are but imperfectly answered by Socrates  in what follows. 

We speak of a one and many, which is ever flowing in and out of all  things,  concerning which a young man

often runs wild in his first  metaphysical  enthusiasm, talking about analysis and synthesis to his  father and

mother  and the neighbours, hardly sparing even his dog.  This 'one in many' is a  revelation of the order of the

world, which  some Prometheus first made  known to our ancestors; and they, who were  better men and nearer

the gods  than we are, have handed it down to us.  To know how to proceed by regular  steps from one to many,

and from  many to one, is just what makes the  difference between eristic and  dialectic.  And the right way of

proceeding  is to look for one idea or  class in all things, and when you have found one  to look for more than

one, and for all that there are, and when you have  found them all and  regularly divided a particular field of

knowledge into  classes, you  may leave the further consideration of individuals.  But you  must not  pass at once

either from unity to infinity, or from infinity to  unity.  In music, for example, you may begin with the most

general notion,  but this alone will not make you a musician:  you must know also the  number  and nature of

the intervals, and the systems which are framed  out of them,  and the rhythms of the dance which correspond

to them.  And when you have a  similar knowledge of any other subject, you may  be said to know that  subject.

In speech again there are infinite  varieties of sound, and some  one who was a wise man, or more than man,

comprehended them all in the  classes of mutes, vowels, and semivowels,  and gave to each of them a name,

and assigned them to the art of  grammar. 

'But whither, Socrates, are you going?  And what has this to do  with the  comparative eligibility of pleasure

and wisdom:'  Socrates  replies, that  before we can adjust their respective claims, we want to  know the number

and kinds of both of them.  What are they?  He is  requested to answer the  question himself.  That he will, if he

may be  allowed to make one or two  preliminary remarks.  In the first place he  has a dreamy recollection of

hearing that neither pleasure nor  knowledge is the highest good, for the  good should be perfect and  sufficient.

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not this the life  of an oyster?  Or is the life of mind sufficient, if  devoid of any  particle of pleasure?  Must not

the union of the two be  higher and  more eligible than either separately?  And is not the element  which  makes

this mixed life eligible more akin to mind than to pleasure?  Thus pleasure is rejected and mind is rejected.

And yet there may be  a  life of mind, not human but divine, which conquers still. 

But, if we are to pursue this argument further, we shall require  some new  weapons; and by this, I mean a new

classification of  existence.  (1) There  is a finite element of existence, and (2) an  infinite, and (3) the union of

the two, and (4) the cause of the  union.  More may be added if they are  wanted, but at present we can do

without them.  And first of the infinite  or indefinite:That is the  class which is denoted by the terms more or

less, and is always in a  state of comparison.  All words or ideas to which  the words 'gently,'  'extremely,' and

other comparative expressions are  applied, fall under  this class.  The infinite would be no longer infinite,  if

limited or  reduced to measure by number and quantity.  The opposite  class is the  limited or finite, and

includes all things which have number  and  quantity.  And there is a third class of generation into essence by

the  union of the finite and infinite, in which the finite gives law to the  infinite;under this are comprehended

health, strength, temperate  seasons,  harmony, beauty, and the like.  The goddess of beauty saw the  universal

wantonness of all things, and gave law and order to be the  salvation of the  soul.  But no effect can be

generated without a  cause, and therefore there  must be a fourth class, which is the cause  of generation; for the

cause or  agent is not the same as the patient  or effect. 

And now, having obtained our classes, we may determine in which our  conqueror life is to be placed:  Clearly

in the third or mixed class,  in  which the finite gives law to the infinite.  And in which is  pleasure to  find a

place?  As clearly in the infinite or indefinite,  which alone, as  Protarchus thinks (who seems to confuse the

infinite  with the superlative),  gives to pleasure the character of the absolute  good.  Yes, retorts  Socrates, and

also to pain the character of  absolute evil.  And therefore  the infinite cannot be that which  imparts to pleasure

the nature of the  good.  But where shall we place  mind?  That is a very serious and awful  question, which may

be  prefaced by another.  Is mind or chance the lord of  the universe?  All  philosophers will say the first, and yet,

perhaps, they  may be only  magnifying themselves.  And for this reason I should like to  consider  the matter a

little more deeply, even though some lovers of  disorder  in the world should ridicule my attempt. 

Now the elements earth, air, fire, water, exist in us, and they  exist in  the cosmos; but they are purer and fairer

in the cosmos than  they are in  us, and they come to us from thence.  And as we have a  soul as well as a  body,

in like manner the elements of the finite, the  infinite, the union of  the two, and the cause, are found to exist in

us.  And if they, like the  elements, exist in us, and the three first  exist in the world, must not the  fourth or

cause which is the noblest  of them, exist in the world?  And this  cause is wisdom or mind, the  royal mind of

Zeus, who is the king of all, as  there are other gods  who have other noble attributes.  Observe how well  this

agrees with  the testimony of men of old, who affirmed mind to be the  ruler of the  universe.  And remember

that mind belongs to the class which  we term  the cause, and pleasure to the infinite or indefinite class. We

will  examine the place and origin of both. 

What is the origin of pleasure?  Her natural seat is the mixed  class, in  which health and harmony were placed.

Pain is the  violation, and pleasure  the restoration of limit.  There is a natural  union of finite and infinite,  which

in hunger, thirst, heat, cold, is  impairedthis is painful, but the  return to nature, in which the  elements are

restored to their normal  proportions, is pleasant.  Here  is our first class of pleasures.  And  another class of

pleasures and  pains are hopes and fears; these are in the  mind only.  And inasmuch  as the pleasures are

unalloyed by pains and the  pains by pleasures,  the examination of them may show us whether all  pleasure is

to be  desired, or whether this entire desirableness is not  rather the  attribute of another class.  But if pleasures

and pains consist  in the  violation and restoration of limit, may there not be a neutral  state,  in which there is

neither dissolution nor restoration?  That is a  further question, and admitting, as we must, the possibility of

such a  state, there seems to be no reason why the life of wisdom should not  exist  in this neutral state, which

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The second class of pleasures involves memory.  There are  affections which  are extinguished before they

reach the soul, and of  these there is no  consciousness, and therefore no memory.  And there  are affections

which the  body and soul feel together, and this feeling  is termed consciousness.  And  memory is the

preservation of  consciousness, and reminiscence is the  recovery of consciousness.  Now  the memory of

pleasure, when a man is in  pain, is the memory of the  opposite of his actual bodily state, and is  therefore not

in the body,  but in the mind.  And there may be an  intermediate state, in which a  person is balanced between

pleasure and  pain; in his body there is  want which is a cause of pain, but in his mind a  sure hope of

replenishment, which is pleasant.  (But if the hope be  converted into  despair, he has two pains and not a

balance of pain and  pleasure.)  Another question is raised:  May not pleasures, like opinions,  be  true and false?

In the sense of being real, both must be admitted to  be  true:  nor can we deny that to both of them qualities

may be  attributed;  for pleasures as well as opinions may be described as good  or bad.  And  though we do not

all of us allow that there are true and  false pleasures,  we all acknowledge that there are some pleasures

associated with right  opinion, and others with falsehood and  ignorance.  Let us endeavour to  analyze the

nature of this  association. 

Opinion is based on perception, which may be correct or mistaken.  You may  see a figure at a distance, and

say first of all, 'This is a  man,' and then  say, 'No, this is an image made by the shepherds.'  And  you may

affirm this  in a proposition to your companion, or make the  remark mentally to  yourself.  Whether the words

are actually spoken or  not, on such occasions  there is a scribe within who registers them,  and a painter who

paints the  images of the things which the scribe has  written down in the soul,at  least that is my own notion

of the  process; and the words and images which  are inscribed by them may be  either true or false; and they

may represent  either past, present, or  future.  And, representing the future, they must  also represent the

pleasures and pains of anticipationthe visions of gold  and other  fancies which are never wanting in the

mind of man.  Now these  hopes,  as they are termed, are propositions, which are sometimes true, and

sometimes false; for the good, who are the friends of the gods, see  true  pictures of the future, and the bad

false ones.  And as there may  be  opinion about things which are not, were not, and will not be,  which is

opinion still, so there may be pleasure about things which  are not, were  not, and will not be, which is pleasure

still,that is  to say, false  pleasure; and only when false, can pleasure, like  opinion, be vicious.  Against this

conclusion Protarchus reclaims. 

Leaving his denial for the present, Socrates proceeds to show that  some  pleasures are false from another point

of view.  In desire, as we  admitted,  the body is divided from the soul, and hence pleasures and  pains are often

simultaneous.  And we further admitted that both of  them belonged to the  infinite class.  How, then, can we

compare them?  Are we not liable, or  rather certain, as in the case of sight, to be  deceived by distance and

relation?  In this case the pleasures and  pains are not false because based  upon false opinion, but are

themselves false.  And there is another  illusion:  pain has often been  said by us to arise out of the

derangement  pleasure out of the  restorationof our nature.  But in passing from one to  the other, do  we

not experience neutral states, which although they appear  pleasureable or painful are really neither?  For even

if we admit,  with the  wise man whom Protarchus loves (and only a wise man could  have ever  entertained

such a notion), that all things are in a  perpetual flux, still  these changes are often unconscious, and devoid

either of pleasure or pain.  We assume, then, that there are three  statespleasureable, painful,  neutral; we

may embellish a little by  calling them gold, silver, and that  which is neither. 

But there are certain natural philosophers who will not admit a  third  state.  Their instinctive dislike to pleasure

leads them to  affirm that  pleasure is only the absence of pain.  They are noble  fellows, and,  although we do

not agree with them, we may use them as  diviners who will  indicate to us the right track.  They will say, that

the nature of anything  is best known from the examination of extreme  cases, e.g. the nature of  hardness from

the examination of the hardest  things; and that the nature of  pleasure will be best understood from  an

examination of the most intense  pleasures.  Now these are the  pleasures of the body, not of the mind; the

pleasures of disease and  not of health, the pleasures of the intemperate  and not of the  temperate.  I am

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them by  contrast with the pain or sickness of body which precedes them.  Their  morbid nature is illustrated by

the lesser instances of itching and  scratching, respecting which I swear that I cannot tell whether they  are a

pleasure or a pain.  (1) Some of these arise out of a transition  from one  state of the body to another, as from

cold to hot; (2) others  are caused by  the contrast of an internal pain and an external  pleasure in the body:

sometimes the feeling of pain predominates, as  in itching and tingling,  when they are relieved by scratching;

sometimes the feeling of pleasure:  or the pleasure which they give may  be quite overpowering, and is then

accompanied by all sorts of  unutterable feelings which have a death of  delights in them.  But  there are also

mixed pleasures which are in the mind  only.  For are  not love and sorrow as well as anger 'sweeter than

honey,'  and also  full of pain?  Is there not a mixture of feelings in the spectator  of  tragedy? and of comedy

also?  'I do not understand that last.'  Well,  then, with the view of lighting up the obscurity of these mixed

feelings,  let me ask whether envy is painful.  'Yes.'  And yet the  envious man finds  something pleasing in the

misfortunes of others?  'True.'  And ignorance is  a misfortune?  'Certainly.'  And one form  of ignorance is

selfconceita  man may fancy himself richer, fairer,  better, wiser than he is?  'Yes.'  And he who thus

deceives himself may  be strong or weak?  'He may.'  And if  he is strong we fear him, and if  he is weak we

laugh at him, which is a  pleasure, and yet we envy him,  which is a pain?  These mixed feelings are  the

rationale of tragedy  and comedy, and equally the rationale of the  greater drama of human  life.  (There appears

to be some confusion in this  passage. There is  no difficulty in seeing that in comedy, as in tragedy,  the

spectator  may view the performance with mixed feelings of pain as well  as of  pleasure; nor is there any

difficulty in understanding that envy is a  mixed feeling, which rejoices not without pain at the misfortunes of

others, and laughs at their ignorance of themselves.  But Plato seems  to  think further that he has explained the

feeling of the spectator in  comedy  sufficiently by a theory which only applies to comedy in so far  as in

comedy we laugh at the conceit or weakness of others.  He has  certainly  given a very partial explanation of

the ridiculous.)  Having  shown how  sorrow, anger, envy are feelings of a mixed nature, I will  reserve the

consideration of the remainder for another occasion. 

Next follow the unmixed pleasures; which, unlike the philosophers  of whom I  was speaking, I believe to be

real.  These unmixed pleasures  are:  (1) The  pleasures derived from beauty of form, colour, sound,  smell,

which are  absolutely pure; and in general those which are  unalloyed with pain:  (2)  The pleasures derived

from the acquisition  of knowledge, which in  themselves are pure, but may be attended by an  accidental pain

of  forgetting; this, however, arises from a subsequent  act of reflection, of  which we need take no account.  At

the same  time, we admit that the latter  pleasures are the property of a very  few.  To these pure and unmixed

pleasures we ascribe measure, whereas  all others belong to the class of the  infinite, and are liable to  every

species of excess.  And here several  questions arise for  consideration:What is the meaning of pure and

impure,  of moderate  and immoderate?  We may answer the question by an illustration:  Purity  of white paint

consists in the clearness or quality of the white,  and  this is distinct from the quantity or amount of white

paint; a little  pure white is fairer than a great deal which is impure.  But there is  another question:Pleasure

is affirmed by ingenious philosophers to  be a  generation; they say that there are two naturesone

selfexistent, the  other dependent; the one noble and majestic, the  other failing in both  these qualities.  'I do

not understand.'  There  are lovers and there are  loves.  'Yes, I know, but what is the  application?'  The argument

is in  play, and desires to intimate that  there are relatives and there are  absolutes, and that the relative is  for the

sake of the absolute; and  generation is for the sake of  essence.  Under relatives I class all things  done with a

view to  generation; and essence is of the class of good.  But  if essence is of  the class of good, generation must

be of some other class;  and our  friends, who affirm that pleasure is a generation, would laugh at  the  notion

that pleasure is a good; and at that other notion, that pleasure  is produced by generation, which is only the

alternative of  destruction.  Who would prefer such an alternation to the equable life  of pure thought?  Here is

one absurdity, and not the only one, to which  the friends of  pleasure are reduced.  For is there not also an

absurdity in affirming that  good is of the soul only; or in declaring  that the best of men, if he be in  pain, is

bad? 

And now, from the consideration of pleasure, we pass to that of  knowledge.  Let us reflect that there are two

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creative  arts, there is one part purer or more  akin to knowledge than the other.  There is an element of

guesswork  and an element of number and measure in  them.  In music, for example,  especially in

fluteplaying, the conjectural  element prevails; while  in carpentering there is more application of rule  and

measure.  Of the  creative arts, then, we may make two classesthe less  exact and the  more exact.  And the

exacter part of all of them is really  arithmetic  and mensuration.  But arithmetic and mensuration again may be

subdivided with reference either to their use in the concrete, or to  their  nature in the abstractas they are

regarded popularly in  building and  binding, or theoretically by philosophers.  And,  borrowing the analogy of

pleasure, we may say that the philosophical  use of them is purer than the  other.  Thus we have two arts of

arithmetic, and two of mensuration.  And  truest of all in the  estimation of every rational man is dialectic, or

the  science of  being, which will forget and disown us, if we forget and disown  her. 

'But, Socrates, I have heard Gorgias say that rhetoric is the  greatest and  usefullest of arts; and I should not

like to quarrel  either with him or  you.'  Neither is there any inconsistency,  Protarchus, with his statement  in

what I am now saying; for I am not  maintaining that dialectic is the  greatest or usefullest, but only  that she is

the truest of arts; my remark  is not quantitative but  qualitative, and refers not to the advantage or  repetition of

either,  but to the degree of truth which they attainhere  Gorgias will not  care to compete; this is what we

affirm to be possessed in  the highest  degree by dialectic.  And do not let us appeal to Gorgias or  Philebus  or

Socrates, but ask, on behalf of the argument, what are the  highest  truths which the soul has the power of

attaining.  And is not this  the  science which has a firmer grasp of them than any other?  For the arts  generally

are only occupied with matters of opinion, and with the  production and action and passion of this sensible

world.  But the  highest  truth is that which is eternal and unchangeable.  And reason  and wisdom are  concerned

with the eternal; and these are the very  claimants, if not for  the first, at least for the second place, whom I

propose as rivals to  pleasure. 

And now, having the materials, we may proceed to mix themfirst  recapitulating the question at issue. 

Philebus affirmed pleasure to be the good, and assumed them to be  one  nature; I affirmed that they were two

natures, and declared that  knowledge  was more akin to the good than pleasure.  I said that the  two together

were  more eligible than either taken singly; and to this  we adhere.  Reason  intimates, as at first, that we should

seek the  good not in the unmixed  life, but in the mixed. 

The cup is ready, waiting to be mingled, and here are two  fountains, one of  honey, the other of pure water,

out of which to make  the fairest possible  mixture.  There are pure and impure  pleasurespure and impure

sciences.  Let us consider the sections of  each which have the most of purity and  truth; to admit them all

indiscriminately would be dangerous.  First we  will take the pure  sciences; but shall we mingle the

impurethe art which  uses the false  rule and the false measure?  That we must, if we are any of  us to find  our

way home; man cannot live upon pure mathematics alone.  And  must I  include music, which is admitted to be

guesswork?  'Yes, you must,  if  human life is to have any humanity.'  Well, then, I will open the door  and let

them all in; they shall mingle in an Homeric 'meeting of the  waters.'  And now we turn to the pleasures; shall I

admit them?  'Admit  first of all the pure pleasures; secondly, the necessary.'  And what shall  we say about the

rest?  First, ask the pleasuresthey  will be too happy to  dwell with wisdom.  Secondly, ask the arts and

sciencesthey reply that  the excesses of intemperance are the ruin of  them; and that they would  rather only

have the pleasures of health and  temperance, which are the  handmaidens of virtue.  But still we want  truth?

That is now added; and so  the argument is complete, and may be  compared to an incorporeal law, which  is to

hold fair rule over a  living body.  And now we are at the vestibule  of the good, in which  there are three chief

elementstruth, symmetry, and  beauty.  These  will be the criterion of the comparative claims of pleasure  and

wisdom. 

Which has the greater share of truth?  Surely wisdom; for pleasure  is the  veriest impostor in the world, and the

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Which of symmetry?  Wisdom again; for nothing is more immoderate  than  pleasure. 

Which of beauty?  Once more, wisdom; for pleasure is often  unseemly, and  the greatest pleasures are put out

of sight. 

Not pleasure, then, ranks first in the scale of good, but measure,  and  eternal harmony. 

Second comes the symmetrical and beautiful and perfect. 

Third, mind and wisdom. 

Fourth, sciences and arts and true opinions. 

Fifth, painless pleasures. 

Of a sixth class, I have no more to say.  Thus, pleasure and mind  may both  renounce the claim to the first

place.  But mind is ten  thousand times  nearer to the chief good than pleasure.  Pleasure ranks  fifth and not  first,

even though all the animals in the world assert  the contrary. 

... 

From the days of Aristippus and Epicurus to our own times the  nature of  pleasure has occupied the attention

of philosophers.  'Is  pleasure an evil?  a good? the only good?' are the simple forms which  the enquiry assumed

among the Socratic schools.  But at an early stage  of the controversy  another question was asked:  'Do

pleasures differ  in kind? and are some  bad, some good, and some neither bad nor good?'  There are bodily and

there  are mental pleasures, which were at first  confused but afterwards  distinguished.  A distinction was also

made  between necessary and  unnecessary pleasures; and again between  pleasures which had or had not

corresponding pains.  The ancient  philosophers were fond of asking, in the  language of their age, 'Is  pleasure a

"becoming" only, and therefore  transient and relative, or  do some pleasures partake of truth and Being?'  To

these ancient  speculations the moderns have added a further question:  'Whose  pleasure?  The pleasure of

yourself, or of your neighbour,of the  individual, or of the world?'  This little addition has changed the

whole  aspect of the discussion:  the same word is now supposed to  include two  principles as widely different

as benevolence and  selflove.  Some modern  writers have also distinguished between  pleasure the test, and

pleasure the  motive of actions.  For the  universal test of right actions (how I know  them) may not always be

the highest or best motive of them (why I do them). 

Socrates, as we learn from the Memorabilia of Xenophon, first drew  attention to the consequences of actions.

Mankind were said by him to  act  rightly when they knew what they were doing, or, in the language  of the

Gorgias, 'did what they would.'  He seems to have been the  first who  maintained that the good was the useful

(Mem.).  In his  eagerness for  generalization, seeking, as Aristotle says, for the  universal in Ethics  (Metaph.),

he took the most obvious intellectual  aspect of human action  which occurred to him.  He meant to emphasize,

not pleasure, but the  calculation of pleasure; neither is he arguing  that pleasure is the chief  good, but that we

should have a principle  of choice.  He did not intend to  oppose 'the useful' to some higher  conception, such as

the Platonic ideal,  but to chance and caprice.  The Platonic Socrates pursues the same vein of  thought in the

Protagoras, where he argues against the socalled sophist  that  pleasure and pain are the final standards and

motives of good and  evil, and that the salvation of human life depends upon a right  estimate of  pleasures

greater or less when seen near and at a  distance.  The testimony  of Xenophon is thus confirmed by that of

Plato, and we are therefore  justified in calling Socrates the first  utilitarian; as indeed there is no  side or aspect

of philosophy which  may not with reason be ascribed to him  he is Cynic and Cyrenaic,  Platonist and

Aristotelian in one.  But in the  Phaedo the Socratic has  already passed into a more ideal point of view; and  he,

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a greater can be an exchange of  virtue. Such virtue is the virtue of ordinary men who live in the  world of

appearance; they are temperate only that they may enjoy the  pleasures of  intemperance, and courageous from

fear of danger.  Whereas the philosopher  is seeking after wisdom and not after  pleasure, whether near or

distant:  he is the mystic, the initiated,  who has learnt to despise the body and is  yearning all his life long  for a

truth which will hereafter be revealed to  him.  In the Republic  the pleasures of knowledge are affirmed to be

superior to other  pleasures, because the philosopher so estimates them; and  he alone has  had experience of

both kinds.  (Compare a similar argument  urged by  one of the latest defenders of Utilitarianism, Mill's

Utilitarianism).  In the Philebus, Plato, although he regards the enemies  of pleasure  with complacency, still

further modifies the transcendentalism  of the  Phaedo.  For he is compelled to confess, rather reluctantly,

perhaps,  that some pleasures, i.e. those which have no antecedent pains,  claim  a place in the scale of goods. 

There have been many reasons why not only Plato but mankind in  general have  been unwilling to

acknowledge that 'pleasure is the chief  good.'  Either  they have heard a voice calling to them out of another

world; or the life  and example of some great teacher has cast their  thoughts of right and  wrong in another

mould; or the word 'pleasure'  has been associated in their  mind with merely animal enjoyment.  They  could

not believe that what they  were always striving to overcome, and  the power or principle in them which

overcame, were of the same  nature.  The pleasure of doing good to others  and of bodily  selfindulgence, the

pleasures of intellect and the pleasures  of  sense, are so different:Why then should they be called by a

common  name?  Or, if the equivocal or metaphorical use of the word is  justified by  custom (like the use of

other words which at first  referred only to the  body, and then by a figure have been transferred  to the mind),

still, why  should we make an ambiguous word the  cornerstone of moral philosophy?  To  the higher thinker

the  Utilitarian or hedonist mode of speaking has been at  variance with  religion and with any higher

conception both of politics and  of  morals.  It has not satisfied their imagination; it has offended their  taste.  To

elevate pleasure, 'the most fleeting of all things,' into a  general idea seems to such men a contradiction.  They

do not desire to  bring down their theory to the level of their practice.  The  simplicity of  the 'greatest happiness'

principle has been acceptable  to philosophers, but  the better part of the world has been slow to  receive it. 

Before proceeding, we may make a few admissions which will narrow  the field  of dispute; and we may as

well leave behind a few  prejudices, which  intelligent opponents of Utilitarianism have by this  time 'agreed to

discard'.  We admit that Utility is coextensive with  right, and that no  action can be right which does not tend

to the  happiness of mankind; we  acknowledge that a large class of actions are  made right or wrong by their

consequences only; we say further that  mankind are not too mindful, but  that they are far too regardless of

consequences, and that they need to  have the doctrine of utility  habitually inculcated on them.  We recognize

the value of a principle  which can supply a connecting link between Ethics  and Politics, and  under which all

human actions are or may be included.  The desire to  promote happiness is no mean preference of expediency

to  right, but  one of the highest and noblest motives by which human nature can  be  animated.  Neither in

referring actions to the test of utility have we  to make a laborious calculation, any more than in trying them

by other  standards of morals.  For long ago they have been classified  sufficiently  for all practical purposes by

the thinker, by the  legislator, by the  opinion of the world.  Whatever may be the  hypothesis on which they are

explained, or which in doubtful cases may  be applied to the regulation of  them, we are very rarely, if ever,

called upon at the moment of performing  them to determine their effect  upon the happiness of mankind. 

There is a theory which has been contrasted with Utility by Paley  and  othersthe theory of a moral sense:

Are our ideas of right and  wrong  innate or derived from experience?  This, perhaps, is another of  those

speculations which intelligent men might 'agree to discard.'  For it has  been worn threadbare; and either

alternative is equally  consistent with a  transcendental or with an eudaemonistic system of  ethics, with a

greatest  happiness principle or with Kant's law of  duty.  Yet to avoid  misconception, what appears to be the

truth about  the origin of our moral  ideas may be shortly summed up as follows:To  each of us individually

our  moral ideas come first of all in childhood  through the medium of education,  from parents and teachers,

assisted  by the unconscious influence of  language; they are impressed upon a  mind which at first is like a

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perhaps weakened by the force of public  opinion.  They may be  corrected and enlarged by experience, they

may be  reasoned about, they  may be brought home to us by the circumstances of our  lives, they may  be

intensified by imagination, by reflection, by a course  of action  likely to confirm them.  Under the influence of

religious feeling  or  by an effort of thought, any one beginning with the ordinary rules of  morality may create

out of them for himself ideals of holiness and  virtue.  They slumber in the minds of most men, yet in all of us

there  remains some  tincture of affection, some desire of good, some sense of  truth, some fear  of the law.  Of

some such state or process each  individual is conscious in  himself, and if he compares his own  experience

with that of others he will  find the witness of their  consciences to coincide with that of his own.  All of us

have entered  into an inheritance which we have the power of  appropriating and  making use of.  No great effort

of mind is required on  our part; we  learn morals, as we learn to talk, instinctively, from  conversing with

others, in an enlightened age, in a civilized country, in a  good home.  A welleducated child of ten years old

already knows the  essentials  of morals:  'Thou shalt not steal,' 'thou shalt speak the  truth,'  'thou shalt love thy

parents,' 'thou shalt fear God.'  What more  does  he want? 

But whence comes this common inheritance or stock of moral ideas?  Their  beginning, like all other

beginnings of human things, is  obscure, and is  the least important part of them.  Imagine, if you  will, that

Society  originated in the herding of brutes, in their  parental instincts, in their  rude attempts at

selfpreservation:Man  is not man in that he resembles,  but in that he differs from them.  We  must pass into

another cycle of  existence, before we can discover in  him by any evidence accessible to us  even the germs of

our moral  ideas.  In the history of the world, which  viewed from within is the  history of the human mind, they

have been slowly  created by religion,  by poetry, by law, having their foundation in the  natural affections  and

in the necessity of some degree of truth and justice  in a social  state; they have been deepened and enlarged by

the efforts of  great  thinkers who have idealized and connected themby the lives of  saints  and prophets who

have taught and exemplified them.  The schools of  ancient philosophy which seem so far from usSocrates,

Plato,  Aristotle,  the Stoics, the Epicureans, and a few modern teachers, such  as Kant and  Bentham, have each

of them supplied 'moments' of thought  to the world.  The  life of Christ has embodied a divine love, wisdom,

patience,  reasonableness.  For his image, however imperfectly handed  down to us, the  modern world has

received a standard more perfect in  idea than the  societies of ancient times, but also further removed  from

practice.  For  there is certainly a greater interval between the  theory and practice of  Christians than between

the theory and practice  of the Greeks and Romans;  the ideal is more above us, and the  aspiration after good

has often lent a  strange power to evil.  And  sometimes, as at the Reformation, or French  Revolution, when the

upper  classes of a socalled Christian country have  become corrupted by  priestcraft, by casuistry, by

licentiousness, by  despotism, the lower  have risen up and reasserted the natural sense of  religion and right. 

We may further remark that our moral ideas, as the world grows  older,  perhaps as we grow older ourselves,

unless they have been  undermined in us  by false philosophy or the practice of mental  analysis, or infected by

the  corruption of society or by some moral  disorder in the individual, are  constantly assuming a more natural

and  necessary character.  The habit of  the mind, the opinion of the world,  familiarizes them to us; and they

take  more and more the form of  immediate intuition.  The moral sense comes last  and not first in the  order of

their development, and is the instinct which  we have  inherited or acquired, not the nobler effort of reflection

which  created them and which keeps them alive.  We do not stop to reason  about  common honesty.  Whenever

we are not blinded by selfdeceit, as  for example  in judging the actions of others, we have no hesitation in

determining what  is right and wrong.  The principles of morality, when  not at variance with  some desire or

worldly interest of our own, or  with the opinion of the  public, are hardly perceived by us; but in the  conflict

of reason and  passion they assert their authority and are not  overcome without remorse. 

Such is a brief outline of the history of our moral ideas.  We have  to  distinguish, first of all, the manner in

which they have grown up  in the  world from the manner in which they have been communicated to  each of

us.  We may represent them to ourselves as flowing out of the  boundless ocean of  language and thought in

little rills, which convey  them to the heart and  brain of each individual.  But neither must we  confound the

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morals, but the  latest efforts of reflection, the  lights in which the whole moral  world has been regarded by

different  thinkers and successive  generations of men.  If we ask:  Which of these  many theories is the  true one?

we may answer:  All of themmoral sense,  innate ideas, a  priori, a posteriori notions, the philosophy of

experience,  the  philosophy of intuitionall of them have added something to our  conception of Ethics; no

one of them is the whole truth.  But to  decide how  far our ideas of morality are derived from one source or

another; to  determine what history, what philosophy has contributed to  them; to  distinguish the original,

simple elements from the manifold  and complex  applications of them, would be a long enquiry too far

removed from the  question which we are now pursuing. 

Bearing in mind the distinction which we have been seeking to  establish  between our earliest and our most

mature ideas of morality,  we may now  proceed to state the theory of Utility, not exactly in the  words, but in

the spirit of one of its ablest and most moderate  supporters (Mill's  Utilitarianism):'That which alone makes

actions  either right or desirable  is their utility, or tendency to promote the  happiness of mankind, or, in  other

words, to increase the sum of  pleasure in the world.  But all  pleasures are not the same:  they  differ in quality

as well as in quantity,  and the pleasure which is  superior in quality is incommensurable with the  inferior.

Neither is  the pleasure or happiness, which we seek, our own  pleasure, but that  of others,of our family, of

our country, of mankind.  The desire of  this, and even the sacrifice of our own interest to that of  other men,

may become a passion to a rightly educated nature.  The  Utilitarian  finds a place in his system for this virtue

and for every  other.' 

Good or happiness or pleasure is thus regarded as the true and only  end of  human life.  To this all our desires

will be found to tend, and  in  accordance with this all the virtues, including justice, may be  explained.

Admitting that men rest for a time in inferior ends, and do  not cast their  eyes beyond them, these ends are

really dependent on  the greater end of  happiness, and would not be pursued, unless in  general they had been

found  to lead to it.  The existence of such an  end is proved, as in Aristotle's  time, so in our own, by the

universal  fact that men desire it.  The  obligation to promote it is based upon  the social nature of man; this

sense  of duty is shared by all of us in  some degree, and is capable of being  greatly fostered and  strengthened.

So far from being inconsistent with  religion, the  greatest happiness principle is in the highest degree

agreeable to it.  For what can be more reasonable than that God should will  the  happiness of all his creatures?

and in working out their happiness we  may be said to be 'working together with him.'  Nor is it  inconceivable

that a new enthusiasm of the future, far stronger than  any old religion,  may be based upon such a conception. 

But then for the familiar phrase of the 'greatest happiness  principle,' it  seems as if we ought now to read 'the

noblest happiness  principle,' 'the  happiness of others principle'the principle not of  the greatest, but of  the

highest pleasure, pursued with no more regard  to our own immediate  interest than is required by the law of

selfpreservation.  Transfer the  thought of happiness to another life,  dropping the external circumstances

which form so large a part of our  idea of happiness in this, and the  meaning of the word becomes

indistinguishable from holiness, harmony,  wisdom, love.  By the slight  addition 'of others,' all the associations

of  the word are altered; we  seem to have passed over from one theory of morals  to the opposite.  For allowing

that the happiness of others is reflected on  ourselves,  and also that every man must live before he can do good

to  others,  still the last limitation is a very trifling exception, and the  happiness of another is very far from

compensating for the loss of our  own.  According to Mr. Mill, he would best carry out the principle of  utility

who  sacrificed his own pleasure most to that of his  fellowmen.  But if so,  Hobbes and Butler, Shaftesbury

and Hume, are  not so far apart as they and  their followers imagine.  The thought of  self and the thought of

others are  alike superseded in the more  general notion of the happiness of mankind at  large.  But in this

composite good, until society becomes perfected, the  friend of man  himself has generally the least share, and

may be a great  sufferer. 

And now what objection have we to urge against a system of moral  philosophy  so beneficent, so enlightened,

so ideal, and at the same  time so  practical,so Christian, as we may say without  exaggeration,and which

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that  which Socrates and Plato 'grew  old in seeking'?  Are we not desirous  of happiness, at any rate for

ourselves and our friends, if not for  all mankind?  If, as is natural, we  begin by thinking of ourselves  first, we

are easily led on to think of  others; for we cannot help  acknowledging that what is right for us is the  right and

inheritance  of others.  We feel the advantage of an abstract  principle wide enough  and strong enough to

override all the particularisms  of mankind; which  acknowledges a universal good, truth, right; which is

capable of  inspiring men like a passion, and is the symbol of a cause for  which  they are ready to contend to

their life's end. 

And if we test this principle by the lives of its professors, it  would  certainly appear inferior to none as a rule

of action.  From the  days of  Eudoxus (Arist. Ethics) and Epicurus to our own, the votaries  of pleasure  have

gained belief for their principles by their practice.  Two of the  noblest and most disinterested men who have

lived in this  century, Bentham  and J. S. Mill, whose lives were a long devotion to  the service of their  fellows,

have been among the most enthusiastic  supporters of utility; while  among their contemporaries, some who

were  of a more mystical turn of mind,  have ended rather in aspiration than  in action, and have been found

unequal  to the duties of life.  Looking  back on them now that they are removed from  the scene, we feel that

mankind has been the better for them.  The world  was against them  while they lived; but this is rather a reason

for admiring  than for  depreciating them.  Nor can any one doubt that the influence of  their  philosophy on

politicsespecially on foreign politics, on law, on  social life, has been upon the whole beneficial.

Nevertheless, they  will  never have justice done to them, for they do not agree either  with the  better feeling of

the multitude or with the idealism of more  refined  thinkers.  Without Bentham, a great word in the history of

philosophy would  have remained unspoken.  Yet to this day it is rare  to hear his name  received with any mark

of respect such as would be  freely granted to the  ambiguous memory of some father of the Church.  The

odium which attached to  him when alive has not been removed by  his death.  For he shocked his

contemporaries by egotism and want of  taste; and this generation which has  reaped the benefit of his labours

has inherited the feeling of the last.  He was before his own age, and  is hardly remembered in this. 

While acknowledging the benefits which the greatest happiness  principle has  conferred upon mankind, the

time appears to have  arrived, not for denying  its claims, but for criticizing them and  comparing them with

other  principles which equally claim to lie at the  foundation of ethics.  Any one  who adds a general principle

to  knowledge has been a benefactor to the  world.  But there is a danger  that, in his first enthusiasm, he may

not  recognize the proportions or  limitations to which his truth is subjected;  he does not see how far  he has

given birth to a truism, or how that which  is a truth to him is  a truism to the rest of the world; or may

degenerate  in the next  generation.  He believes that to be the whole which is only a  part,to be the necessary

foundation which is really only a valuable  aspect of the truth.  The systems of all philosophers require the

criticism  of 'the morrow,' when the heat of imagination which forged  them has cooled,  and they are seen in

the temperate light of day.  All  of them have  contributed to enrich the mind of the civilized world;  none of

them occupy  that supreme or exclusive place which their  authors would have assigned to  them. 

We may preface the criticism with a few preliminary remarks: 

Mr. Mill, Mr. Austin, and others, in their eagerness to maintain  the  doctrine of utility, are fond of repeating

that we are in a  lamentable  state of uncertainty about morals.  While other branches of  knowledge have  made

extraordinary progress, in moral philosophy we are  supposed by them to  be no better than children, and with

few  exceptionsthat is to say,  Bentham and his followersto be no  further advanced than men were in the

age of Socrates and Plato, who,  in their turn, are deemed to be as backward  in ethics as they  necessarily were

in physics.  But this, though often  asserted, is  recanted almost in a breath by the same writers who speak thus

depreciatingly of our modern ethical philosophy.  For they are the  first to  acknowledge that we have not now

to begin classifying actions  under the  head of utility; they would not deny that about the general  conceptions

of  morals there is a practical agreement.  There is no  more doubt that  falsehood is wrong than that a stone falls

to the  ground, although the  first does not admit of the same ocular proof as  the second.  There is no  greater

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triangles.  Unless we are looking  for a new moral world  which has no marrying and giving in marriage, there

is no greater  disagreement in theory about the right relations of the sexes  than  about the composition of water.

These and a few other simple  principles, as they have endless applications in practice, so also may  be

developed in theory into counsels of perfection. 

To what then is to be attributed this opinion which has been often  entertained about the uncertainty of

morals?  Chiefly to this,that  philosophers have not always distinguished the theoretical and the  casuistical

uncertainty of morals from the practical certainty.  There  is  an uncertainty about details,whether, for

example, under given  circumstances such and such a moral principle is to be enforced, or  whether  in some

cases there may not be a conflict of duties:  these  are the  exceptions to the ordinary rules of morality,

important,  indeed, but not  extending to the one thousandth or one tenthousandth  part of human  actions.  This

is the domain of casuistry.  Secondly,  the aspects under  which the most general principles of morals may be

presented to us are many  and various.  The mind of man has been more  than usually active in thinking  about

man.  The conceptions of  harmony, happiness, right, freedom,  benevolence, selflove, have all  of them

seemed to some philosopher or  other the truest and most  comprehensive expression of morality.  There is  no

difference, or at  any rate no great difference, of opinion about the  right and wrong of  actions, but only about

the general notion which  furnishes the best  explanation or gives the most comprehensive view of  them.  This,

in  the language of Kant, is the sphere of the metaphysic of  ethics.  But  these two uncertainties at either end, en

tois malista  katholou and en  tois kath ekasta, leave space enough for an intermediate  principle  which is

practically certain. 

The rule of human life is not dependent on the theories of  philosophers:  we know what our duties are for the

most part before we  speculate about  them.  And the use of speculation is not to teach us  what we already

know,  but to inspire in our minds an interest about  morals in general, to  strengthen our conception of the

virtues by  showing that they confirm one  another, to prove to us, as Socrates  would have said, that they are

not  many, but one.  There is the same  kind of pleasure and use in reducing  morals, as in reducing physics,  to a

few very simple truths.  And not  unfrequently the more general  principle may correct prejudices and

misconceptions, and enable us to  regard our fellowmen in a larger and more  generous spirit. 

The two qualities which seem to be most required in first  principles of  ethics are, (1) that they should afford a

real  explanation of the facts,  (2) that they should inspire the  mind,should harmonize, strengthen,  settle us.

We can hardly  estimate the influence which a simple principle  such as 'Act so as to  promote the happiness of

mankind,' or 'Act so that  the rule on which  thou actest may be adopted as a law by all rational  beings,' may

exercise on the mind of an individual.  They will often seem  to open a  new world to him, like the religious

conceptions of faith or the  spirit of God.  The difficulties of ethics disappear when we do not  suffer  ourselves

to be distracted between different points of view.  But to  maintain their hold on us, the general principles must

also be  psychologically truethey must agree with our experience, they must  accord  with the habits of our

minds. 

When we are told that actions are right or wrong only in so far as  they  tend towards happiness, we naturally

ask what is meant by  'happiness.'  For  the term in the common use of language is only to a  certain extent

commensurate with moral good and evil.  We should  hardly say that a good  man could be utterly miserable

(Arist. Ethics),  or place a bad man in the  first rank of happiness.  But yet, from  various circumstances, the

measure  of a man's happiness may be out of  all proportion to his desert.  And if we  insist on calling the good

man alone happy, we shall be using the term in  some new and  transcendental sense, as synonymous with

wellbeing.  We have  already  seen that happiness includes the happiness of others as well as our  own; we

must now comprehend unconscious as well as conscious happiness  under the same word.  There is no harm in

this extension of the  meaning,  but a word which admits of such an extension can hardly be  made the basis  of

a philosophical system.  The exactness which is  required in philosophy  will not allow us to comprehend under

the same  term two ideas so different  as the subjective feeling of pleasure or  happiness and the objective

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Like Protarchus in the Philebus, we can give no answer to the  question,  'What is that common quality which

in all states of human  life we call  happiness? which includes the lower and the higher kind  of happiness, and

is the aim of the noblest, as well as of the meanest  of mankind?'  If we  say 'Not pleasure, not virtue, not

wisdom, nor yet  any quality which we can  abstract from these'what then?  After  seeming to hover for a

time on the  verge of a great truth, we have  gained only a truism. 

Let us ask the question in another form.  What is that which  constitutes  happiness, over and above the several

ingredients of  health, wealth,  pleasure, virtue, knowledge, which are included under  it?  Perhaps we  answer,

'The subjective feeling of them.'  But this is  very far from being  coextensive with right.  Or we may reply that

happiness is the whole of  which the abovementioned are the parts.  Still the question recurs, 'In  what does

the whole differ from all  the parts?'  And if we are unable to  distinguish them, happiness will  be the mere

aggregate of the goods of  life. 

Again, while admitting that in all right action there is an element  of  happiness, we cannot help seeing that the

utilitarian theory  supplies a  much easier explanation of some virtues than of others.  Of  many patriotic  or

benevolent actions we can give a straightforward  account by their  tendency to promote happiness.  For the

explanation  of justice, on the  other hand, we have to go a long way round.  No man  is indignant with a  thief

because he has not promoted the greatest  happiness of the greatest  number, but because he has done him a

wrong.  There is an immeasurable  interval between a crime against property or  life, and the omission of an  act

of charity or benevolence.  Yet of  this interval the utilitarian theory  takes no cognizance.  The  greatest

happiness principle strengthens our  sense of positive duties  towards others, but weakens our recognition of

their rights.  To  promote in every way possible the happiness of others may  be a counsel  of perfection, but

hardly seems to offer any ground for a  theory of  obligation.  For admitting that our ideas of obligation are

partly  derived from religion and custom, yet they seem also to contain  other  essential elements which cannot

be explained by the tendency of  actions to promote happiness.  Whence comes the necessity of them?  Why

are  some actions rather than others which equally tend to the  happiness of  mankind imposed upon us with the

authority of law?  'You  ought' and 'you  had better' are fundamental distinctions in human  thought; and having

such  distinctions, why should we seek to efface  and unsettle them? 

Bentham and Mr. Mill are earnest in maintaining that happiness  includes the  happiness of others as well as of

ourselves.  But what  two notions can be  more opposed in many cases than these?  Granting  that in a perfect

state of  the world my own happiness and that of all  other men would coincide, in the  imperfect state they

often diverge,  and I cannot truly bridge over the  difficulty by saying that men will  always find pleasure in

sacrificing  themselves or in suffering for  others.  Upon the greatest happiness  principle it is admitted that I  am

to have a share, and in consistency I  should pursue my own  happiness as impartially as that of my neighbour.

But  who can decide  what proportion should be mine and what his, except on the  principle  that I am most

likely to be deceived in my own favour, and had  therefore better give the larger share, if not all, to him? 

Further, it is admitted that utility and right coincide, not in  particular  instances, but in classes of actions.  But

is it not  distracting to the  conscience of a man to be told that in the  particular case they are  opposed?

Happiness is said to be the ground  of moral obligation, yet he  must not do what clearly conduces to his  own

happiness if it is at variance  with the good of the whole.  Nay,  further, he will be taught that when  utility and

right are in apparent  conflict any amount of utility does not  alter by a hair'sbreadth the  morality of actions,

which cannot be allowed  to deviate from  established law or usage; and that the nondetection of an  immoral

act, say of telling a lie, which may often make the greatest  difference in the consequences, not only to

himself, but to all the  world,  makes none whatever in the act itself. 

Again, if we are concerned not with particular actions but with  classes of  actions, is the tendency of actions to

happiness a  principle upon which we  can classify them?  There is a universal law  which imperatively declares

certain acts to be right or wrong:can  there be any universality in the  law which measures actions by their

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unhappiness to another; or  an act which if performed by one person may  increase the happiness of  mankind

may have the opposite effect if performed  by another.  Right  can never be wrong, or wrong right, that there

are no  actions which  tend to the happiness of mankind which may not under other  circumstances tend to their

unhappiness.  Unless we say not only that  all  right actions tend to happiness, but that they tend to happiness  in

the  same degree in which they are right (and in that case the word  'right' is  plainer), we weaken the

absoluteness of our moral standard;  we reduce  differences in kind to differences in degree; we obliterate  the

stamp which  the authority of ages has set upon vice and crime. 

Once more:  turning from theory to practice we feel the importance  of  retaining the received distinctions of

morality.  Words such as  truth,  justice, honesty, virtue, love, have a simple meaning; they  have become  sacred

to us,'the word of God' written on the human  heart:  to no other  words can the same associations be

attached.  We  cannot explain them  adequately on principles of utility; in attempting  to do so we rob them of

their true character.  We give them a meaning  often paradoxical and  distorted, and generally weaker than their

signification in common  language.  And as words influence men's  thoughts, we fear that the hold of  morality

may also be weakened, and  the sense of duty impaired, if virtue  and vice are explained only as  the qualities

which do or do not contribute  to the pleasure of the  world.  In that very expression we seem to detect a  false

ring, for  pleasure is individual not universal; we speak of eternal  and  immutable justice, but not of eternal and

immutable pleasure; nor by  any refinement can we avoid some taint of bodily sense adhering to the  meaning

of the word. 

Again:  the higher the view which men take of life, the more they  lose  sight of their own pleasure or interest.

True religion is not  working for  a reward only, but is ready to work equally without a  reward.  It is not  'doing

the will of God for the sake of eternal  happiness,' but doing the  will of God because it is best, whether

rewarded or unrewarded.  And this  applies to others as well as to  ourselves.  For he who sacrifices himself  for

the good of others, does  not sacrifice himself that they may be saved  from the persecution  which he endures

for their sakes, but rather that they  in their turn  may be able to undergo similar sufferings, and like him stand

fast in  the truth.  To promote their happiness is not his first object, but  to  elevate their moral nature.  Both in

his own case and that of others  there may be happiness in the distance, but if there were no happiness  he

would equally act as he does.  We are speaking of the highest and  noblest  natures; and a passing thought

naturally arises in our minds,  'Whether that  can be the first principle of morals which is hardly  regarded in

their own  case by the greatest benefactors of mankind?' 

The admissions that pleasures differ in kind, and that actions are  already  classified; the acknowledgment that

happiness includes the  happiness of  others, as well as of ourselves; the confusion (not made  by Aristotle)

between conscious and unconscious happiness, or between  happiness the  energy and happiness the result of

the energy, introduce  uncertainty and  inconsistency into the whole enquiry.  We reason  readily and cheerfully

from a greatest happiness principle.  But we  find that utilitarians do not  agree among themselves about the

meaning  of the word.  Still less can they  impart to others a common conception  or conviction of the nature of

happiness.  The meaning of the word is  always insensibly slipping away from  us, into pleasure, out of

pleasure, now appearing as the motive, now as the  test of actions, and  sometimes varying in successive

sentences.  And as in  a mathematical  demonstration an error in the original number disturbs the  whole

calculation which follows, this fundamental uncertainty about the  word  vitiates all the applications of it.  Must

we not admit that a notion  so uncertain in meaning, so void of content, so at variance with  common  language

and opinion, does not comply adequately with either of  our two  requirements?  It can neither strike the

imaginative faculty,  nor give an  explanation of phenomena which is in accordance with our  individual

experience.  It is indefinite; it supplies only a partial  account of human  actions:  it is one among many theories

of  philosophers.  It may be  compared with other notions, such as the  chief good of Plato, which may be  best

expressed to us under the form  of a harmony, or with Kant's obedience  to law, which may be summed up

under the word 'duty,' or with the Stoical  'Follow nature,' and seems  to have no advantage over them.  All of

these  present a certain aspect  of moral truth.  None of them are, or indeed  profess to be, the only  principle of

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And this brings us to speak of the most serious objection to the  utilitarian systemits exclusiveness.  There is

no place for Kant or  Hegel, for Plato and Aristotle alongside of it.  They do not reject  the  greatest happiness

principle, but it rejects them.  Now the  phenomena of  moral action differ, and some are best explained upon

one  principle and  some upon another:  the virtue of justice seems to be  naturally connected  with one theory of

morals, the virtues of  temperance and benevolence with  another.  The characters of men also  differ; and some

are more attracted by  one aspect of the truth, some  by another.  The firm stoical nature will  conceive virtue

under the  conception of law, the philanthropist under that  of doing good, the  quietist under that of

resignation, the enthusiast under  that of faith  or love.  The upright man of the world will desire above all

things  that morality should be plain and fixed, and should use language in  its ordinary sense.  Persons of an

imaginative temperament will  generally  be dissatisfied with the words 'utility' or 'pleasure':  their principle of

right is of a far higher characterwhat or where  to be found they cannot  always distinctly tell;deduced

from the laws  of human nature, says one;  resting on the will of God, says another;  based upon some

transcendental  idea which animates more worlds than  one, says a third: 

on nomoi prokeintai upsipodes, ouranian  di aithera teknothentes. 

To satisfy an imaginative nature in any degree, the doctrine of  utility  must be so transfigured that it becomes

altogether different  and loses all  simplicity. 

But why, since there are different characters among men, should we  not  allow them to envisage morality

accordingly, and be thankful to  the great  men who have provided for all of us modes and instruments of

thought?  Would the world have been better if there had been no Stoics  or Kantists,  no Platonists or

Cartesians?  No more than if the other  pole of moral  philosophy had been excluded.  All men have principles

which are above  their practice; they admit premises which, if carried  to their conclusions,  are a sufficient

basis of morals.  In asserting  liberty of speculation we  are not encouraging individuals to make  right or wrong

for themselves, but  only conceding that they may choose  the form under which they prefer to  contemplate

them.  Nor do we say  that one of these aspects is as true and  good as another; but that  they all of them, if they

are not mere sophisms  and illusions, define  and bring into relief some part of the truth which  would have

been  obscure without their light.  Why should we endeavour to  bind all men  within the limits of a single

metaphysical conception?  The  necessary  imperfection of language seems to require that we should view the

same  truth under more than one aspect. 

We are living in the second age of utilitarianism, when the charm  of  novelty and the fervour of the first

disciples has passed away.  The  doctrine is no longer stated in the forcible paradoxical manner  of Bentham,

but has to be adapted to meet objections; its corners are  rubbed off, and  the meaning of its most characteristic

expressions is  softened.  The array  of the enemy melts away when we approach him.  The greatest happiness

of  the greatest number was a great original  idea when enunciated by Bentham,  which leavened a generation

and has  left its mark on thought and  civilization in all succeeding times.  His grasp of it had the intensity of

genius.  In the spirit of an  ancient philosopher he would have denied that  pleasures differed in  kind, or that by

happiness he meant anything but  pleasure.  He would  perhaps have revolted us by his thoroughness.  The

'guardianship of  his doctrine' has passed into other hands; and now we seem  to see its  weak points, its

ambiguities, its want of exactness while  assuming the  highest exactness, its onesidedness, its paradoxical

explanation of  several of the virtues.  No philosophy has ever stood this  criticism  of the next generation,

though the founders of all of them have  imagined that they were built upon a rock.  And the utilitarian  system,

like others, has yielded to the inevitable analysis.  Even in  the opinion  of 'her admirers she has been terribly

damaged' (Phil.),  and is no longer  the only moral philosophy, but one among many which  have contributed in

various degrees to the intellectual progress of  mankind. 

But because the utilitarian philosophy can no longer claim 'the  prize,' we  must not refuse to acknowledge the

great benefits conferred  by it on the  world.  All philosophies are refuted in their turn, says  the sceptic, and  he

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have done a great work in their  own day, and they supply posterity  with aspects of the truth and with

instruments of thought.  Though  they may be shorn of their glory, they  retain their place in the  organism of

knowledge. 

And still there remain many rules of morals which are better  explained and  more forcibly inculcated on the

principle of utility  than on any other.  The question Will such and such an action promote  the happiness of

myself,  my family, my country, the world? may check  the rising feeling of pride or  honour which would

cause a quarrel, an  estrangement, a war.  'How can I  contribute to the greatest happiness  of others?' is another

form of the  question which will be more  attractive to the minds of many than a  deduction of the duty of

benevolence from a priori principles.  In politics  especially hardly  any other argument can be allowed to have

weight except  the happiness  of a people.  All parties alike profess to aim at this, which  though  often used only

as the disguise of selfinterest has a great and  real  influence on the minds of statesmen.  In religion, again,

nothing can  more tend to mitigate superstition than the belief that the good of  man is  also the will of God.

This is an easy test to which the  prejudices and  superstitions of men may be brought:whatever does not

tend to the good of  men is not of God.  And the ideal of the greatest  happiness of mankind,  especially if

believed to be the will of God,  when compared with the actual  fact, will be one of the strongest  motives to do

good to others. 

On the other hand, when the temptation is to speak falsely, to be  dishonest  or unjust, or in any way to

interfere with the rights of  others, the  argument that these actions regarded as a class will not  conduce to the

happiness of mankind, though true enough, seems to have  less force than the  feeling which is already

implanted in the mind by  conscience and authority.  To resolve this feeling into the greatest  happiness

principle takes away  from its sacred and authoritative  character.  The martyr will not go to the  stake in order

that he may  promote the happiness of mankind, but for the  sake of the truth:  neither will the soldier advance

to the cannon's mouth  merely because  he believes military discipline to be for the good of  mankind.  It is

better for him to know that he will be shot, that he will  be  disgraced, if he runs awayhe has no need to look

beyond military  honour, patriotism, 'England expects every man to do his duty.'  These  are  stronger motives

than the greatest happiness of the greatest  number, which  is the thesis of a philosopher, not the watchword of

an  army.  For in human  actions men do not always require broad  principles; duties often come home  to us

more when they are limited  and defined, and sanctioned by custom and  public opinion. 

Lastly, if we turn to the history of ethics, we shall find that our  moral  ideas have originated not in utility but

in religion, in law, in  conceptions of nature, of an ideal good, and the like.  And many may  be  inclined to

think that this conclusively disproves the claim of  utility to  be the basis of morals.  But the utilitarian will

fairly  reply (see above)  that we must distinguish the origin of ethics from  the principles of them  the

historical germ from the later growth of  reflection.  And he may also  truly add that for two thousand years and

more, utility, if not the  originating, has been the great corrective  principle in law, in politics,  in religion,

leading men to ask how  evil may be diminished and good  increasedby what course of policy  the public

interest may be promoted,  and to understand that God wills  the happiness, not of some of his  creatures and in

this world only,  but of all of them and in every stage of  their existence. 

'What is the place of happiness or utility in a system of moral  philosophy?' is analogous to the question asked

in the Philebus, 'What  rank  does pleasure hold in the scale of goods?'  Admitting the  greatest  happiness

principle to be true and valuable, and the  necessary foundation  of that part of morals which relates to the

consequences of actions, we  still have to consider whether this or  some other general notion is the  highest

principle of human life.  We  may try them in this comparison by  three testsdefiniteness,

comprehensiveness, and motive power. 

There are three subjective principles of morals,sympathy,  benevolence,  selflove.  But sympathy seems to

rest morality on  feelings which differ  widely even in good men; benevolence and  selflove torture one half of

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the advantage over all these in  comprehensiveness, but the  advantage is purchased at the expense of

definiteness. 

Again, there are the legal and political principles of  moralsfreedom,  equality, rights of persons; 'Every man

to count for  one and no man for  more than one,' 'Every man equal in the eye of the  law and of the  legislator.'

There is also the other sort of political  morality, which if  not beginning with 'Might is right,' at any rate  seeks

to deduce our ideas  of justice from the necessities of the state  and of society.  According to  this view the

greatest good of men is  obedience to law:  the best human  government is a rational despotism,  and the best

idea which we can form of  a divine being is that of a  despot acting not wholly without regard to law  and

order.  To such a  view the present mixed state of the world, not wholly  evil or wholly  good, is supposed to be

a witness.  More we might desire to  have, but  are not permitted.  Though a human tyrant would be intolerable,

a  divine tyrant is a very tolerable governor of the universe.  This is  the  doctrine of Thrasymachus adapted to

the public opinion of modern  times. 

There is yet a third view which combines the two:freedom is  obedience to  the law, and the greatest order is

also the greatest  freedom; 'Act so that  thy action may be the law of every intelligent  being.'  This view is noble

and elevating; but it seems to err, like  other transcendental principles of  ethics, in being too abstract.  For  there

is the same difficulty in  connecting the idea of duty with  particular duties as in bridging the gulf  between

phainomena and onta;  and when, as in the system of Kant, this  universal idea or law is held  to be independent

of space and time, such a  mataion eidos becomes  almost unmeaning. 

Once more there are the religious principles of morals:the will  of God  revealed in Scripture and in nature.

No philosophy has  supplied a sanction  equal in authority to this, or a motive equal in  strength to the belief in

another life.  Yet about these too we must  ask What will of God? how  revealed to us, and by what proofs?

Religion, like happiness, is a word  which has great influence apart  from any consideration of its content:  it

may be for great good or  for great evil.  But true religion is the  synthesis of religion and  morality, beginning

with divine perfection in  which all human  perfection is embodied.  It moves among ideas of holiness,  justice,

love, wisdom, truth; these are to God, in whom they are  personified,  what the Platonic ideas are to the idea of

good.  It is the  consciousness of the will of God that all men should be as he is.  It  lives  in this world and is

known to us only through the phenomena of  this world,  but it extends to worlds beyond.  Ordinary religion

which  is alloyed with  motives of this world may easily be in excess, may be  fanatical, may be  interested, may

be the mask of ambition, may be  perverted in a thousand  ways.  But of that religion which combines the  will

of God with our highest  ideas of truth and right there can never  be too much.  This impossibility  of excess is

the note of divine  moderation. 

So then, having briefly passed in review the various principles of  moral  philosophy, we may now arrange our

goods in order, though, like  the reader  of the Philebus, we have a difficulty in distinguishing the  different

aspects of them from one another, or defining the point at  which the human  passes into the divine. 

First, the eternal will of God in this world and in  another,justice,  holiness, wisdom, love, without

succession of acts  (ouch e genesis  prosestin), which is known to us in part only, and  reverenced by us as

divine perfection. 

Secondly, human perfection, or the fulfilment of the will of God in  this  world, and cooperation with his

laws revealed to us by reason  and  experience, in nature, history, and in our own minds. 

Thirdly, the elements of human perfection,virtue, knowledge, and  right  opinion. 

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Fifthly, beauty and happiness,the inward enjoyment of that which  is best  and fairest in this world and in

the human soul. 

... 

The Philebus is probably the latest in time of the writings of  Plato with  the exception of the Laws.  We have in

it therefore the  last development of  his philosophy.  The extreme and onesided  doctrines of the Cynics and

Cyrenaics are included in a larger whole;  the relations of pleasure and  knowledge to each other and to the

good  are authoritatively determined; the  Eleatic Being and the Heraclitean  Flux no longer divide the empire

of  thought; the Mind of Anaxagoras  has become the Mind of God and of the  World.  The great distinction

between pure and applied science for the  first time has a place in  philosophy; the natural claim of dialectic to

be  the Queen of the  Sciences is once more affirmed.  This latter is the bond  of union  which pervades the

whole or nearly the whole of the Platonic  writings.  And here as in several other dialogues (Phaedrus,

Republic,  etc.) it  is presented to us in a manner playful yet also serious, and  sometimes  as if the thought of it

were too great for human utterance and  came  down from heaven direct.  It is the organization of knowledge

wonderful to think of at a time when knowledge itself could hardly be  said  to exist.  It is this more than any

other element which  distinguishes  Plato, not only from the presocratic philosophers, but  from Socrates

himself. 

We have not yet reached the confines of Aristotle, but we make a  somewhat  nearer approach to him in the

Philebus than in the earlier  Platonic  writings.  The germs of logic are beginning to appear, but  they are not

collected into a whole, or made a separate science or  system.  Many  thinkers of many different schools have

to be interposed  between the  Parmenides or Philebus of Plato, and the Physics or  Metaphysics of  Aristotle.  It

is this interval upon which we have to  fix our minds if we  would rightly understand the character of the

transition from one to the  other.  Plato and Aristotle do not dovetail  into one another; nor does the  one begin

where the other ends; there  is a gulf between them not to be  measured by time, which in the  fragmentary state

of our knowledge it is  impossible to bridge over.  It follows that the one cannot be interpreted  by the other.  At

any  rate, it is not Plato who is to be interpreted by  Aristotle, but  Aristotle by Plato.  Of all philosophy and of

all art the  true  understanding is to be sought not in the afterthoughts of posterity,  but in the elements out of

which they have arisen.  For the previous  stage  is a tendency towards the ideal at which they are aiming; the

later is a  declination or deviation from them, or even a perversion of  them.  No man's  thoughts were ever so

well expressed by his disciples  as by himself. 

But although Plato in the Philebus does not come into any close  connexion  with Aristotle, he is now a long

way from himself and from  the beginnings  of his own philosophy.  At the time of his death he  left his system

still  incomplete; or he may be more truly said to have  had no system, but to have  lived in the successive

stages or moments  of metaphysical thought which  presented themselves from time to time.  The earlier

discussions about  universal ideas and definitions seem to  have died away; the correlation of  ideas has taken

their place.  The  flowers of rhetoric and poetry have lost  their freshness and charm;  and a technical language

has begun to supersede  and overgrow them.  But the power of thinking tends to increase with age,  and the

experience of life to widen and deepen.  The good is summed up  under  categories which are not summa

genera, but heads or gradations of  thought.  The question of pleasure and the relation of bodily  pleasures to

mental, which is hardly treated of elsewhere in Plato, is  here analysed  with great subtlety.  The mean or

measure is now made  the first principle  of good.  Some of these questions reappear in  Aristotle, as does also

the  distinction between metaphysics and  mathematics.  But there are many things  in Plato which have been

lost  in Aristotle; and many things in Aristotle  not to be found in Plato.  The most remarkable deficiency in

Aristotle is  the disappearance of  the Platonic dialectic, which in the Aristotelian  school is only used  in a

comparatively unimportant and trivial sense.  The  most remarkable  additions are the invention of the

Syllogism, the  conception of  happiness as the foundation of morals, the reference of human  actions  to the

standard of the better mind of the world, or of the one  'sensible man' or 'superior person.'  His conception of

ousia, or  essence,  is not an advance upon Plato, but a return to the poor and  meagre  abstractions of the Eleatic


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philosophy.  The dry attempt to  reduce the  presocratic philosophy by his own rather arbitrary standard  of the

four  causes, contrasts unfavourably with Plato's general  discussion of the same  subject (Sophist).  To attempt

further to sum  up the differences between  the two great philosophers would be out of  place here.  Any real

discussion  of their relation to one another must  be preceded by an examination into  the nature and character

of the  Aristotelian writings and the form in which  they have come down to us.  This enquiry is not really

separable from an  investigation of  Theophrastus as well as Aristotle and of the remains of  other schools  of

philosophy as well as of the Peripatetics. But, without  entering on  this wide field, even a superficial

consideration of the  logical and  metaphysical works which pass under the name of Aristotle,  whether we

suppose them to have come directly from his hand or to be the  tradition of his school, is sufficient to show

how great was the  mental  activity which prevailed in the latter half of the fourth  century B.C.;  what eddies

and whirlpools of controversies were surging  in the chaos of  thought, what transformations of the old

philosophies  were taking place  everywhere, what eclecticisms and syncretisms and  realisms and nominalisms

were affecting the mind of Hellas.  The  decline of philosophy during this  period is no less remarkable than  the

loss of freedom; and the two are not  unconnected with each other.  But of the multitudinous sea of opinions

which were current in the  age of Aristotle we have no exact account.  We  know of them from  allusions only.

And we cannot with advantage fill up the  void of our  knowledge by conjecture:  we can only make allowance

for our  ignorance. 

There are several passages in the Philebus which are very  characteristic of  Plato, and which we shall do well

to consider not  only in their connexion,  but apart from their connexion as inspired  sayings or oracles which

receive  their full interpretation only from  the history of philosophy in later  ages.  The more serious attacks on

traditional beliefs which are often  veiled under an unusual simplicity  or irony are of this kind.  Such, for

example, is the excessive and  more than human awe which Socrates expresses  about the names of the  gods,

which may be not unaptly compared with the  importance attached  by mankind to theological terms in other

ages; for this  also may be  comprehended under the satire of Socrates.  Let us observe the  religious and

intellectual enthusiasm which shines forth in the  following,  'The power and faculty of loving the truth, and of

doing  all things for the  sake of the truth': or, again, the singular  acknowledgment which may be  regarded as

the anticipation of a new  logic, that 'In going to war for mind  I must have weapons of a  different make from

those which I used before,  although some of the  old ones may do again.'  Let us pause awhile to  reflect on a

sentence  which is full of meaning to reformers of religion or  to the original  thinker of all ages:  'Shall we then

agree with them of old  time, and  merely reassert the notions of others without risk to ourselves;  or  shall we

venture also to share in the risk and bear the reproach which  will await us':  i.e. if we assert mind to be the

author of nature.  Let us  note the remarkable words, 'That in the divine nature of Zeus  there is the  soul and

mind of a King, because there is in him the  power of the cause,' a  saying in which theology and philosophy

are  blended and reconciled; not  omitting to observe the deep insight into  human nature which is shown by  the

repetition of the same thought 'All  philosophers are agreed that mind  is the king of heaven and earth'  with the

ironical addition, 'in this way  truly they magnify  themselves.'  Nor let us pass unheeded the indignation  felt by

the  generous youth at the 'blasphemy' of those who say that Chaos  and  Chance Medley created the world; or

the significance of the words  'those who said of old time that mind rules the universe'; or the  pregnant

observation that 'we are not always conscious of what we are  doing or of  what happens to us,' a chance

expression to which if  philosophers had  attended they would have escaped many errors in  psychology.  We

may  contrast the contempt which is poured upon the  verbal difficulty of the one  and many, and the

seriousness with the  unity of opposites is regarded from  the higher point of view of  abstract ideas:  or compare

the simple manner  in which the question of  cause and effect and their mutual dependence is  regarded by Plato

(to  which modern science has returned in Mill and Bacon),  and the cumbrous  fourfold division of causes in

the Physics and Metaphysics  of  Aristotle, for which it has puzzled the world to find a use in so many

centuries.  When we consider the backwardness of knowledge in the age  of  Plato, the boldness with which he

looks forward into the distance,  the many  questions of modern philosophy which are anticipated in his

writings, may  we not truly describe him in his own words as a  'spectator of all time and  of all existence'? 


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PHILEBUS

PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE:  Socrates, Protarchus, Philebus. 

SOCRATES: Observe, Protarchus, the nature of the position  which you are  now going to take from

Philebus, and what the other  position is which I  maintain, and which, if you do not approve of it,  is to be

controverted by  you.  Shall you and I sum up the two sides? 

PROTARCHUS: By all means. 

SOCRATES: Philebus was saying that enjoyment and pleasure  and delight, and  the class of feelings akin to

them, are a good to  every living being,  whereas I contend, that not these, but wisdom and  intelligence and

memory,  and their kindred, right opinion and true  reasoning, are better and more  desirable than pleasure for

all who are  able to partake of them, and that  to all such who are or ever will be  they are the most

advantageous of all  things.  Have I not given,  Philebus, a fair statement of the two sides of  the argument? 

PHILEBUS: Nothing could be fairer, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: And do you, Protarchus, accept the position which  is assigned to  you? 

PROTARCHUS: I cannot do otherwise, since our excellent  Philebus has left  the field. 

SOCRATES: Surely the truth about these matters ought, by all  means, to be  ascertained. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Shall we further agree 

PROTARCHUS: To what? 

SOCRATES: That you and I must now try to indicate some state  and  disposition of the soul, which has the

property of making all men  happy. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, by all means. 

SOCRATES: And you say that pleasure, and I say that wisdom,  is such a  state? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And what if there be a third state, which is  better than either?  Then both of us are

vanquishedare we not?  But  if this life, which really  has the power of making men happy, turn out  to be

more akin to pleasure  than to wisdom, the life of pleasure may  still have the advantage over the  life of

wisdom. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: Or suppose that the better life is more nearly  allied to wisdom,  then wisdom conquers, and

pleasure is defeated;do  you agree? 

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SOCRATES: And what do you say, Philebus? 

PHILEBUS: I say, and shall always say, that pleasure is  easily the  conqueror; but you must decide for

yourself, Protarchus. 

PROTARCHUS: You, Philebus, have handed over the argument to  me, and have  no longer a voice in the

matter? 

PHILEBUS: True enough.  Nevertheless I would clear myself  and deliver my  soul of you; and I call the

goddess herself to witness  that I now do so. 

PROTARCHUS: You may appeal to us; we too will be the  witnesses of your  words.  And now, Socrates,

whether Philebus is  pleased or displeased, we  will proceed with the argument. 

SOCRATES: Then let us begin with the goddess herself, of  whom Philebus  says that she is called

Aphrodite, but that her real  name is Pleasure. 

PROTARCHUS: Very good. 

SOCRATES: The awe which I always feel, Protarchus, about the  names of the  gods is more than humanit

exceeds all other fears.  And  now I would not  sin against Aphrodite by naming her amiss; let her be  called

what she  pleases.  But Pleasure I know to be manifold, and with  her, as I was just  now saying, we must begin,

and consider what her  nature is.  She has one  name, and therefore you would imagine that she  is one; and yet

surely she  takes the most varied and even unlike  forms.  For do we not say that the  intemperate has pleasure,

and that  the temperate has pleasure in his very  temperance,that the fool is  pleased when he is full of foolish

fancies  and hopes, and that the  wise man has pleasure in his wisdom? and how  foolish would any one be  who

affirmed that all these opposite pleasures are  severally alike! 

PROTARCHUS: Why, Socrates, they are opposed in so far as  they spring from  opposite sources, but they

are not in themselves  opposite.  For must not  pleasure be of all things most absolutely like  pleasure,that is,

like  itself? 

SOCRATES: Yes, my good friend, just as colour is like  colour;in so far  as colours are colours, there is no

difference  between them; and yet we all  know that black is not only unlike, but  even absolutely opposed to

white:  or again, as figure is like figure,  for all figures are comprehended under  one class; and yet particular

figures may be absolutely opposed to one  another, and there is an  infinite diversity of them.  And we might

find  similar examples in  many other things; therefore do not rely upon this  argument, which  would go to

prove the unity of the most extreme opposites.  And I  suspect that we shall find a similar opposition among

pleasures. 

PROTARCHUS: Very likely; but how will this invalidate the  argument? 

SOCRATES: Why, I shall reply, that dissimilar as they are,  you apply to  them a new predicate, for you say

that all pleasant  things are good; now  although no one can argue that pleasure is not  pleasure, he may argue,

as  we are doing, that pleasures are oftener  bad than good; but you call them  all good, and at the same time are

compelled, if you are pressed, to  acknowledge that they are unlike.  And so you must tell us what is the

identical quality existing alike  in good and bad pleasures, which makes you  designate all of them as  good. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean, Socrates?  Do you think that  any one who  asserts pleasure to be the

good, will tolerate the notion  that some  pleasures are good and others bad? 


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SOCRATES: And yet you will acknowledge that they are  different from one  another, and sometimes

opposed? 

PROTARCHUS: Not in so far as they are pleasures. 

SOCRATES: That is a return to the old position, Protarchus,  and so we are  to say (are we?) that there is no

difference in  pleasures, but that they  are all alike; and the examples which have  just been cited do not pierce

our dull minds, but we go on arguing all  the same, like the weakest and  most inexperienced reasoners?

(Probably corrupt.) 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean? 

SOCRATES: Why, I mean to say, that in selfdefence I may, if  I like,  follow your example, and assert

boldly that the two things  most unlike are  most absolutely alike; and the result will be that you  and I will

prove  ourselves to be very tyros in the art of disputing;  and the argument will  be blown away and lost.

Suppose that we put  back, and return to the old  position; then perhaps we may come to an  understanding with

one another. 

PROTARCHUS: How do you mean? 

SOCRATES: Shall I, Protarchus, have my own question asked of  me by you? 

PROTARCHUS: What question? 

SOCRATES: Ask me whether wisdom and science and mind, and  those other  qualities which I, when asked

by you at first what is the  nature of the  good, affirmed to be good, are not in the same case with  the pleasures

of  which you spoke. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean? 

SOCRATES: The sciences are a numerous class, and will be  found to present  great differences.  But even

admitting that, like the  pleasures, they are  opposite as well as different, should I be worthy  of the name of

dialectician if, in order to avoid this difficulty, I  were to say (as you  are saying of pleasure) that there is no

difference between one science and  another;would not the argument  founder and disappear like an idle

tale,  although we might ourselves  escape drowning by clinging to a fallacy? 

PROTARCHUS: May none of this befal us, except the  deliverance!  Yet I like  the evenhanded justice

which is applied to  both our arguments.  Let us  assume, then, that there are many and  diverse pleasures, and

many and  different sciences. 

SOCRATES: And let us have no concealment, Protarchus, of the  differences  between my good and yours;

but let us bring them to the  light in the hope  that, in the process of testing them, they may show  whether

pleasure is to  be called the good, or wisdom, or some third  quality; for surely we are not  now simply

contending in order that my  view or that yours may prevail, but  I presume that we ought both of us  to be

fighting for the truth. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly we ought. 

SOCRATES: Then let us have a more definite understanding and  establish the  principle on which the

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PROTARCHUS: What principle? 

SOCRATES: A principle about which all men are always in a  difficulty, and  some men sometimes against

their will. 

PROTARCHUS: Speak plainer. 

SOCRATES: The principle which has just turned up, which is a  marvel of  nature; for that one should be

many or many one, are  wonderful  propositions; and he who affirms either is very open to  attack. 

PROTARCHUS: Do you mean, when a person says that I,  Protarchus, am by  nature one and also many,

dividing the single 'me'  into many 'me's,' and  even opposing them as great and small, light and  heavy, and in

ten thousand  other ways? 

SOCRATES: Those, Protarchus, are the common and acknowledged  paradoxes  about the one and many,

which I may say that everybody has  by this time  agreed to dismiss as childish and obvious and detrimental  to

the true  course of thought; and no more favour is shown to that  other puzzle, in  which a person proves the

members and parts of  anything to be divided, and  then confessing that they are all one,  says laughingly in

disproof of his  own words:  Why, here is a miracle,  the one is many and infinite, and the  many are only one. 

PROTARCHUS: But what, Socrates, are those other marvels  connected with  this subject which, as you

imply, have not yet become  common and  acknowledged? 

SOCRATES: When, my boy, the one does not belong to the class  of things  that are born and perish, as in the

instances which we were  giving, for in  those cases, and when unity is of this concrete nature,  there is, as I

was  saying, a universal consent that no refutation is  needed; but when the  assertion is made that man is one,

or ox is one,  or beauty one, or the good  one, then the interest which attaches to  these and similar unities and

the  attempt which is made to divide them  gives birth to a controversy. 

PROTARCHUS: Of what nature? 

SOCRATES: In the first place, as to whether these unities  have a real  existence; and then how each

individual unity, being  always the same, and  incapable either of generation or of destruction,  but retaining a

permanent  individuality, can be conceived either as  dispersed and multiplied in the  infinity of the world of

generation,  or as still entire and yet divided  from itself, which latter would  seem to be the greatest

impossibility of  all, for how can one and the  same thing be at the same time in one and in  many things?

These,  Protarchus, are the real difficulties, and this is the  one and many to  which they relate; they are the

source of great perplexity  if ill  decided, and the right determination of them is very helpful. 

PROTARCHUS: Then, Socrates, let us begin by clearing up  these questions. 

SOCRATES: That is what I should wish. 

PROTARCHUS: And I am sure that all my other friends will be  glad to hear  them discussed; Philebus,

fortunately for us, is not  disposed to move, and  we had better not stir him up with questions. 

SOCRATES: Good; and where shall we begin this great and  multifarious  battle, in which such various

points are at issue?  Shall  we begin thus? 

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SOCRATES: We say that the one and many become identified by  thought, and  that now, as in time past,

they run about together, in  and out of every  word which is uttered, and that this union of them  will never

cease, and is  not now beginning, but is, as I believe, an  everlasting quality of thought  itself, which never

grows old.  Any  young man, when he first tastes these  subtleties, is delighted, and  fancies that he has found a

treasure of  wisdom; in the first  enthusiasm of his joy he leaves no stone, or rather no  thought  unturned, now

rolling up the many into the one, and kneading them  together, now unfolding and dividing them; he puzzles

himself first  and  above all, and then he proceeds to puzzle his neighbours, whether  they are  older or younger,

or of his own agethat makes no  difference; neither  father nor mother does he spare; no human being  who

has ears is safe from  him, hardly even his dog, and a barbarian  would have no chance of escaping  him, if an

interpreter could only be  found. 

PROTARCHUS: Considering, Socrates, how many we are, and that  all of us are  young men, is there not a

danger that we and Philebus  may all set upon you,  if you abuse us?  We understand what you mean;  but is

there no charm by  which we may dispel all this confusion, no  more excellent way of arriving  at the truth?  If

there is, we hope  that you will guide us into that way,  and we will do our best to  follow, for the enquiry in

which we are engaged,  Socrates, is not  unimportant. 

SOCRATES: The reverse of unimportant, my boys, as Philebus  calls you, and  there neither is nor ever will

be a better than my own  favourite way, which  has nevertheless already often deserted me and  left me helpless

in the hour  of need. 

PROTARCHUS: Tell us what that is. 

SOCRATES: One which may be easily pointed out, but is by no  means easy of  application; it is the parent of

all the discoveries in  the arts. 

PROTARCHUS: Tell us what it is. 

SOCRATES: A gift of heaven, which, as I conceive, the gods  tossed among  men by the hands of a new

Prometheus, and therewith a  blaze of light; and  the ancients, who were our betters and nearer the  gods than

we are, handed  down the tradition, that whatever things are  said to be are composed of one  and many, and

have the finite and  infinite implanted in them:  seeing,  then, that such is the order of  the world, we too ought

in every enquiry to  begin by laying down one  idea of that which is the subject of enquiry; this  unity we shall

find  in everything.  Having found it, we may next proceed to  look for two,  if there be two, or, if not, then for

three or some other  number,  subdividing each of these units, until at last the unity with which  we  began is

seen not only to be one and many and infinite, but also a  definite number; the infinite must not be suffered to

approach the  many  until the entire number of the species intermediate between unity  and  infinity has been

discovered,then, and not till then, we may  rest from  division, and without further troubling ourselves about

the  endless  individuals may allow them to drop into infinity.  This, as I  was saying,  is the way of considering

and learning and teaching one  another, which the  gods have handed down to us.  But the wise men of  our time

are either too  quick or too slow in conceiving plurality in  unity.  Having no method, they  make their one and

many anyhow, and  from unity pass at once to infinity;  the intermediate steps never  occur to them.  And this, I

repeat, is what  makes the difference  between the mere art of disputation and true  dialectic. 

PROTARCHUS: I think that I partly understand you Socrates,  but I should  like to have a clearer notion of

what you are saying. 

SOCRATES: I may illustrate my meaning by the letters of the  alphabet,  Protarchus, which you were made to

learn as a child. 

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SOCRATES: The sound which passes through the lips whether of  an individual  or of all men is one and yet

infinite. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And yet not by knowing either that sound is one or  that sound is  infinite are we perfect in the

art of speech, but the  knowledge of the  number and nature of sounds is what makes a man a  grammarian. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And the knowledge which makes a man a musician is  of the same  kind. 

PROTARCHUS: How so? 

SOCRATES: Sound is one in music as well as in grammar? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And there is a higher note and a lower note, and a  note of equal  pitch:may we affirm so

much? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: But you would not be a real musician if this was  all that you  knew; though if you did not know

this you would know  almost nothing of  music. 

PROTARCHUS: Nothing. 

SOCRATES: But when you have learned what sounds are high and  what low, and  the number and nature of

the intervals and their limits  or proportions, and  the systems compounded out of them, which our  fathers

discovered, and have  handed down to us who are their  descendants under the name of harmonies;  and the

affections  corresponding to them in the movements of the human  body, which when  measured by numbers

ought, as they say, to be called  rhythms and  measures; and they tell us that the same principle should be

applied  to every one and many;when, I say, you have learned all this,  then,  my dear friend, you are perfect;

and you may be said to understand  any  other subject, when you have a similar grasp of it.  But the infinity  of

kinds and the infinity of individuals which there is in each of  them,  when not classified, creates in every one

of us a state of  infinite  ignorance; and he who never looks for number in anything,  will not himself  be looked

for in the number of famous men. 

PROTARCHUS: I think that what Socrates is now saying is  excellent,  Philebus. 

PHILEBUS: I think so too, but how do his words bear upon us  and upon the  argument? 

SOCRATES: Philebus is right in asking that question of us,  Protarchus. 

PROTARCHUS: Indeed he is, and you must answer him. 

SOCRATES: I will; but you must let me make one little remark  first about  these matters; I was saying, that

he who begins with any  individual unity,  should proceed from that, not to infinity, but to a  definite number,

and  now I say conversely, that he who has to begin  with infinity should not  jump to unity, but he should look

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for an illustration of our principle to  the case of letters. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean? 

SOCRATES: Some god or divine man, who in the Egyptian legend  is said to  have been Theuth, observing

that the human voice was  infinite, first  distinguished in this infinity a certain number of  vowels, and then

other  letters which had sound, but were not pure  vowels (i.e., the semivowels);  these too exist in a definite

number;  and lastly, he distinguished a third  class of letters which we now  call mutes, without voice and

without sound,  and divided these, and  likewise the two other classes of vowels and  semivowels, into the

individual sounds, and told the number of them, and  gave to each and  all of them the name of letters; and

observing that none  of us could  learn any one of them and not learn them all, and in  consideration of  this

common bond which in a manner united them, he  assigned to them  all a single art, and this he called the art

of grammar or  letters. 

PHILEBUS: The illustration, Protarchus, has assisted me in  understanding  the original statement, but I still

feel the defect of  which I just now  complained. 

SOCRATES: Are you going to ask, Philebus, what this has to  do with the  argument? 

PHILEBUS: Yes, that is a question which Protarchus and I  have been long  asking. 

SOCRATES: Assuredly you have already arrived at the answer  to the question  which, as you say, you have

been so long asking? 

PHILEBUS: How so? 

SOCRATES: Did we not begin by enquiring into the comparative  eligibility  of pleasure and wisdom? 

PHILEBUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And we maintain that they are each of them one? 

PHILEBUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And the precise question to which the previous  discussion  desires an answer is, how they are

one and also many (i.e.,  how they have  one genus and many species), and are not at once  infinite, and what

number  of species is to be assigned to either of  them before they pass into  infinity (i.e. into the infinite

number of  individuals). 

PROTARCHUS: That is a very serious question, Philebus, to  which Socrates  has ingeniously brought us

round, and please to  consider which of us shall  answer him; there may be something  ridiculous in my being

unable to answer,  and therefore imposing the  task upon you, when I have undertaken the whole  charge of the

argument, but if neither of us were able to answer, the  result  methinks would be still more ridiculous.  Let us

consider, then,  what  we are to do:Socrates, if I understood him rightly, is asking  whether there are not

kinds of pleasure, and what is the number and  nature  of them, and the same of wisdom. 

SOCRATES: Most true, O son of Callias; and the previous  argument showed  that if we are not able to tell

the kinds of  everything that has unity,  likeness, sameness, or their opposites,  none of us will be of the

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PROTARCHUS: That seems to be very near the truth, Socrates.  Happy would  the wise man be if he knew

all things, and the next best  thing for him is  that he should know himself.  Why do I say so at this  moment?  I

will tell  you.  You, Socrates, have granted us this  opportunity of conversing with  you, and are ready to assist

us in  determining what is the best of human  goods.  For when Philebus said  that pleasure and delight and

enjoyment and  the like were the chief  good, you answeredNo, not those, but another  class of goods; and

we  are constantly reminding ourselves of what you said,  and very  properly, in order that we may not forget to

examine and compare  the  two.  And these goods, which in your opinion are to be designated as  superior to

pleasure, and are the true objects of pursuit, are mind  and  knowledge and understanding and art, and the like.

There was a  dispute  about which were the best, and we playfully threatened that  you should not  be allowed to

go home until the question was settled;  and you agreed, and  placed yourself at our disposal.  And now, as

children say, what has been  fairly given cannot be taken back; cease  then to fight against us in this  way. 

SOCRATES: In what way? 

PHILEBUS: Do not perplex us, and keep asking questions of us  to which we  have not as yet any sufficient

answer to give; let us not  imagine that a  general puzzling of us all is to be the end of our  discussion, but if we

are unable to answer, do you answer, as you have  promised.  Consider, then,  whether you will divide pleasure

and  knowledge according to their kinds; or  you may let the matter drop, if  you are able and willing to find

some other  mode of clearing up our  controversy. 

SOCRATES: If you say that, I have nothing to apprehend, for  the words 'if  you are willing' dispel all my

fear; and, moreover, a  god seems to have  recalled something to my mind. 

PHILEBUS: What is that? 

SOCRATES: I remember to have heard long ago certain  discussions about  pleasure and wisdom, whether

awake or in a dream I  cannot tell; they were  to the effect that neither the one nor the  other of them was the

good, but  some third thing, which was different  from them, and better than either.  If this be clearly

established,  then pleasure will lose the victory, for  the good will cease to be  identified with her:Am I not

right? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And there will cease to be any need of  distinguishing the kinds  of pleasures, as I am inclined

to think, but  this will appear more clearly  as we proceed. 

PROTARCHUS: Capital, Socrates; pray go on as you propose. 

SOCRATES: But, let us first agree on some little points. 

PROTARCHUS: What are they? 

SOCRATES: Is the good perfect or imperfect? 

PROTARCHUS: The most perfect, Socrates, of all things. 

SOCRATES: And is the good sufficient? 

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SOCRATES: And no one can deny that all percipient beings  desire and hunt  after good, and are eager to

catch and have the good  about them, and care  not for the attainment of anything which is not  accompanied by

good. 

PROTARCHUS: That is undeniable. 

SOCRATES: Now let us part off the life of pleasure from the  life of  wisdom, and pass them in review. 

PROTARCHUS: How do you mean? 

SOCRATES: Let there be no wisdom in the life of pleasure,  nor any pleasure  in the life of wisdom, for if

either of them is the  chief good, it cannot  be supposed to want anything, but if either is  shown to want

anything, then  it cannot really be the chief good. 

PROTARCHUS: Impossible. 

SOCRATES: And will you help us to test these two lives? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Then answer. 

PROTARCHUS: Ask. 

SOCRATES: Would you choose, Protarchus, to live all your  life long in the  enjoyment of the greatest

pleasures? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly I should. 

SOCRATES: Would you consider that there was still anything  wanting to you  if you had perfect pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not. 

SOCRATES: Reflect; would you not want wisdom and  intelligence and  forethought, and similar qualities?

would you not at  any rate want sight? 

PROTARCHUS: Why should I?  Having pleasure I should have all  things. 

SOCRATES: Living thus, you would always throughout your life  enjoy the  greatest pleasures? 

PROTARCHUS: I should. 

SOCRATES: But if you had neither mind, nor memory, nor  knowledge, nor true  opinion, you would in the

first place be utterly  ignorant of whether you  were pleased or not, because you would be  entirely devoid of

intelligence. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And similarly, if you had no memory you would not  recollect that  you had ever been pleased,

nor would the slightest  recollection of the  pleasure which you feel at any moment remain with  you; and if you

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calculation you  would not be able to calculate on  future pleasure, and your life would  be the life, not of a

man, but of an  oyster or 'pulmo marinus.'  Could  this be otherwise? 

PROTARCHUS: No. 

SOCRATES: But is such a life eligible? 

PROTARCHUS: I cannot answer you, Socrates; the argument has  taken away  from me the power of speech. 

SOCRATES: We must keep up our spirits;let us now take the  life of mind  and examine it in turn. 

PROTARCHUS: And what is this life of mind? 

SOCRATES: I want to know whether any one of us would consent  to live,  having wisdom and mind and

knowledge and memory of all  things, but having  no sense of pleasure or pain, and wholly unaffected  by these

and the like  feelings? 

PROTARCHUS: Neither life, Socrates, appears eligible to me,  nor is likely,  as I should imagine, to be

chosen by any one else. 

SOCRATES: What would you say, Protarchus, to both of these  in one, or to  one that was made out of the

union of the two? 

PROTARCHUS: Out of the union, that is, of pleasure with mind  and wisdom? 

SOCRATES: Yes, that is the life which I mean. 

PROTARCHUS: There can be no difference of opinion; not some  but all would  surely choose this third

rather than either of the other  two, and in  addition to them. 

SOCRATES: But do you see the consequence? 

PROTARCHUS: To be sure I do.  The consequence is, that two  out of the  three lives which have been

proposed are neither sufficient  nor eligible  for man or for animal. 

SOCRATES: Then now there can be no doubt that neither of  them has the  good, for the one which had

would certainly have been  sufficient and  perfect and eligible for every living creature or thing  that was able

to  live such a life; and if any of us had chosen any  other, he would have  chosen contrary to the nature of the

truly  eligible, and not of his own  free will, but either through ignorance  or from some unhappy necessity. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly that seems to be true. 

SOCRATES: And now have I not sufficiently shown that  Philebus' goddess is  not to be regarded as identical

with the good? 

PHILEBUS: Neither is your 'mind' the good, Socrates, for  that will be open  to the same objections. 

SOCRATES: Perhaps, Philebus, you may be right in saying so  of my 'mind';  but of the true, which is also

the divine mind, far  otherwise.  However, I  will not at present claim the first place for  mind as against the

mixed  life; but we must come to some understanding  about the second place.  For  you might affirm pleasure

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of them might  be imagined to be the cause  of the good.  And I might proceed further to  argue in opposition to

Philebus, that the element which makes this mixed  life eligible and  good, is more akin and more similar to

mind than to  pleasure.  And if  this is true, pleasure cannot be truly said to share  either in the  first or second

place, and does not, if I may trust my own  mind,  attain even to the third. 

PROTARCHUS: Truly, Socrates, pleasure appears to me to have  had a fall; in  fighting for the palm, she has

been smitten by the  argument, and is laid  low.  I must say that mind would have fallen  too, and may therefore

be  thought to show discretion in not putting  forward a similar claim.  And if  pleasure were deprived not only

of  the first but of the second place, she  would be terribly damaged in  the eyes of her admirers, for not even to

them  would she still appear  as fair as before. 

SOCRATES: Well, but had we not better leave her now, and not  pain her by  applying the crucial test, and

finally detecting her? 

PROTARCHUS: Nonsense, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: Why? because I said that we had better not pain  pleasure, which  is an impossibility? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, and more than that, because you do not seem  to be aware  that none of us will let you

go home until you have  finished the argument. 

SOCRATES: Heavens! Protarchus, that will be a tedious  business, and just  at present not at all an easy one.

For in going to  war in the cause of  mind, who is aspiring to the second prize, I ought  to have weapons of

another make from those which I used before; some,  however, of the old ones  may do again.  And must I then

finish the  argument? 

PROTARCHUS: Of course you must. 

SOCRATES: Let us be very careful in laying the foundation. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean? 

SOCRATES: Let us divide all existing things into two, or  rather, if you do  not object, into three classes. 

PROTARCHUS: Upon what principle would you make the division? 

SOCRATES: Let us take some of our newlyfound notions. 

PROTARCHUS: Which of them? 

SOCRATES: Were we not saying that God revealed a finite  element of  existence, and also an infinite? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Let us assume these two principles, and also a  third, which is  compounded out of them; but I

fear that I am  ridiculously clumsy at these  processes of division and enumeration. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean, my good friend? 

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PROTARCHUS: What will that be? 

SOCRATES: Find the cause of the third or compound, and add  this as a  fourth class to the three others. 

PROTARCHUS: And would you like to have a fifth class or  cause of  resolution as well as a cause of

composition? 

SOCRATES: Not, I think, at present; but if I want a fifth at  some future  time you shall allow me to have it. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Let us begin with the first three; and as we find  two out of the  three greatly divided and

dispersed, let us endeavour  to reunite them, and  see how in each of them there is a one and many. 

PROTARCHUS: If you would explain to me a little more about  them, perhaps I  might be able to follow

you. 

SOCRATES: Well, the two classes are the same which I  mentioned before, one  the finite, and the other the

infinite; I will  first show that the infinite  is in a certain sense many, and the  finite may be hereafter discussed. 

PROTARCHUS: I agree. 

SOCRATES: And now consider well; for the question to which I  invite your  attention is difficult and

controverted.  When you speak  of hotter and  colder, can you conceive any limit in those qualities?  Does not

the more  and less, which dwells in their very nature,  prevent their having any end?  for if they had an end, the

more and  less would themselves have an end. 

PROTARCHUS: That is most true. 

SOCRATES: Ever, as we say, into the hotter and the colder  there enters a  more and a less. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: Then, says the argument, there is never any end of  them, and  being endless they must also be

infinite. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, Socrates, that is exceedingly true. 

SOCRATES: Yes, my dear Protarchus, and your answer reminds  me that such an  expression as

'exceedingly,' which you have just  uttered, and also the term  'gently,' have the same significance as  more or

less; for whenever they  occur they do not allow of the  existence of quantitythey are always  introducing

degrees into  actions, instituting a comparison of a more or a  less excessive or a  more or a less gentle, and at

each creation of more or  less, quantity  disappears.  For, as I was just now saying, if quantity and  measure  did

not disappear, but were allowed to intrude in the sphere of  more  and less and the other comparatives, these

last would be driven out of  their own domain.  When definite quantity is once admitted, there can  be no  longer

a 'hotter' or a 'colder' (for these are always  progressing, and are  never in one stay); but definite quantity is at

rest, and has ceased to  progress.  Which proves that comparatives,  such as the hotter and the  colder, are to be

ranked in the class of  the infinite. 

PROTARCHUS: Your remark certainly has the look of truth,  Socrates; but  these subjects, as you were

saying, are difficult to  follow at first.  I  think however, that if I could hear the argument  repeated by you once


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or  twice, there would be a substantial agreement  between us. 

SOCRATES: Yes, and I will try to meet your wish; but, as I  would rather  not waste time in the enumeration

of endless particulars,  let me know  whether I may not assume as a note of the infinite 

PROTARCHUS: What? 

SOCRATES: I want to know whether such things as appear to us  to admit of  more or less, or are denoted by

the words 'exceedingly,'  'gently,'  'extremely,' and the like, may not be referred to the class  of the  infinite,

which is their unity, for, as was asserted in the  previous  argument, all things that were divided and dispersed

should  be brought  together, and have the mark or seal of some one nature, if  possible, set  upon themdo you

remember? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And all things which do not admit of more or less,  but admit  their opposites, that is to say, first

of all, equality, and  the equal, or  again, the double, or any other ratio of number and  measureall these may,

I think, be rightly reckoned by us in the  class of the limited or finite;  what do you say? 

PROTARCHUS: Excellent, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: And now what nature shall we ascribe to the third  or compound  kind? 

PROTARCHUS: You, I think, will have to tell me that. 

SOCRATES: Rather God will tell you, if there be any God who  will listen to  my prayers. 

PROTARCHUS: Offer up a prayer, then, and think. 

SOCRATES: I am thinking, Protarchus, and I believe that some  God has  befriended us. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean, and what proof have you to  offer of what you  are saying? 

SOCRATES: I will tell you, and do you listen to my words. 

PROTARCHUS: Proceed. 

SOCRATES: Were we not speaking just now of hotter and  colder? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: Add to them drier, wetter, more, less, swifter,  slower, greater,  smaller, and all that in the

preceding argument we  placed under the unity  of more and less. 

PROTARCHUS: In the class of the infinite, you mean? 

SOCRATES: Yes; and now mingle this with the other. 

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SOCRATES: The class of the finite which we ought to have  brought together  as we did the infinite; but,

perhaps, it will come to  the same thing if we  do so now;when the two are combined, a third  will appear. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean by the class of the finite? 

SOCRATES: The class of the equal and the double, and any  class which puts  an end to difference and

opposition, and by  introducing number creates  harmony and proportion among the different  elements. 

PROTARCHUS: I understand; you seem to me to mean that the  various  opposites, when you mingle with

them the class of the finite,  takes certain  forms. 

SOCRATES: Yes, that is my meaning. 

PROTARCHUS: Proceed. 

SOCRATES: Does not the right participation in the finite  give healthin  disease, for instance? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And whereas the high and low, the swift and the  slow are  infinite or unlimited, does not the

addition of the  principles aforesaid  introduce a limit, and perfect the whole frame of  music? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, certainly. 

SOCRATES: Or, again, when cold and heat prevail, does not  the introduction  of them take away excess and

indefiniteness, and  infuse moderation and  harmony? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And from a like admixture of the finite and  infinite come the  seasons, and all the delights of

life? 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: I omit ten thousand other things, such as beauty  and health and  strength, and the many

beauties and high perfections of  the soul:  O my  beautiful Philebus, the goddess, methinks, seeing the

universal wantonness  and wickedness of all things, and that there was  in them no limit to  pleasures and

selfindulgence, devised the limit  of law and order, whereby,  as you say, Philebus, she torments, or as I

maintain, delivers the soul.  What think you, Protarchus? 

PROTARCHUS: Her ways are much to my mind, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: You will observe that I have spoken of three  classes? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, I think that I understand you:  you mean to  say that the  infinite is one class, and that

the finite is a second  class of existences;  but what you would make the third I am not so  certain. 

SOCRATES: That is because the amazing variety of the third  class is too  much for you, my dear friend; but

there was not this  difficulty with the  infinite, which also comprehended many classes,  for all of them were

sealed  with the note of more and less, and  therefore appeared one. 


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PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And the finite or limit had not many divisions,  and we readily  acknowledged it to be by nature

one? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: Yes, indeed; and when I speak of the third class,  understand me  to mean any offspring of

these, being a birth into true  being, effected by  the measure which the limit introduces. 

PROTARCHUS: I understand. 

SOCRATES: Still there was, as we said, a fourth class to be  investigated,  and you must assist in the

investigation; for does not  everything which  comes into being, of necessity come into being  through a cause? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, certainly; for how can there be anything  which has no  cause? 

SOCRATES: And is not the agent the same as the cause in all  except name;  the agent and the cause may be

rightly called one? 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And the same may be said of the patient, or  effect; we shall  find that they too differ, as I was

saying, only in  nameshall we not? 

PROTARCHUS: We shall. 

SOCRATES: The agent or cause always naturally leads, and the  patient or  effect naturally follows it? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Then the cause and what is subordinate to it in  generation are  not the same, but different? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: Did not the things which were generated, and the  things out of  which they were generated,

furnish all the three  classes? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And the creator or cause of them has been  satisfactorily proven  to be distinct from them,and

may therefore be  called a fourth principle? 

PROTARCHUS: So let us call it. 

SOCRATES: Quite right; but now, having distinguished the  four, I think  that we had better refresh our

memories by  recapitulating each of them in  order. 

PROTARCHUS: By all means. 


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SOCRATES: Then the first I will call the infinite or  unlimited, and the  second the finite or limited; then

follows the  third, an essence compound  and generated; and I do not think that I  shall be far wrong in speaking

of  the cause of mixture and generation  as the fourth. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not. 

SOCRATES: And now what is the next question, and how came we  hither?  Were  we not enquiring whether

the second place belonged to  pleasure or wisdom? 

PROTARCHUS: We were. 

SOCRATES: And now, having determined these points, shall we  not be better  able to decide about the first

and second place, which  was the original  subject of dispute? 

PROTARCHUS: I dare say. 

SOCRATES: We said, if you remember, that the mixed life of  pleasure and  wisdom was the conquerordid

we not? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And we see what is the place and nature of this  life and to what  class it is to be assigned? 

PROTARCHUS: Beyond a doubt. 

SOCRATES: This is evidently comprehended in the third or  mixed class;  which is not composed of any two

particular ingredients,  but of all the  elements of infinity, bound down by the finite, and may  therefore be truly

said to comprehend the conqueror life. 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: And what shall we say, Philebus, of your life  which is all  sweetness; and in which of the

aforesaid classes is that  to be placed?  Perhaps you will allow me to ask you a question before  you answer? 

PHILEBUS: Let me hear. 

SOCRATES: Have pleasure and pain a limit, or do they belong  to the class  which admits of more and less? 

PHILEBUS: They belong to the class which admits of more,  Socrates; for  pleasure would not be perfectly

good if she were not  infinite in quantity  and degree. 

SOCRATES: Nor would pain, Philebus, be perfectly evil.  And  therefore the  infinite cannot be that element

which imparts to  pleasure some degree of  good.  But nowadmitting, if you like, that  pleasure is of the

nature of  the infinitein which of the aforesaid  classes, O Protarchus and Philebus,  can we without

irreverence place  wisdom and knowledge and mind?  And let us  be careful, for I think  that the danger will be

very serious if we err on  this point. 

PHILEBUS: You magnify, Socrates, the importance of your  favourite god. 

SOCRATES: And you, my friend, are also magnifying your  favourite goddess;  but still I must beg you to

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PROTARCHUS: Socrates is quite right, Philebus, and we must  submit to him. 

PHILEBUS: And did not you, Protarchus, propose to answer in  my place? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly I did; but I am now in a great strait,  and I must  entreat you, Socrates, to be our

spokesman, and then we  shall not say  anything wrong or disrespectful of your favourite. 

SOCRATES: I must obey you, Protarchus; nor is the task which  you impose a  difficult one; but did I really,

as Philebus implies,  disconcert you with  my playful solemnity, when I asked the question to  what class mind

and  knowledge belong? 

PROTARCHUS: You did, indeed, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: Yet the answer is easy, since all philosophers  assert with one  voice that mind is the king of

heaven and earthin  reality they are  magnifying themselves.  And perhaps they are right.  But still I should

like to consider the class of mind, if you do not  object, a little more  fully. 

PHILEBUS: Take your own course, Socrates, and never mind  length; we shall  not tire of you. 

SOCRATES: Very good; let us begin then, Protarchus, by  asking a question. 

PROTARCHUS: What question? 

SOCRATES: Whether all this which they call the universe is  left to the  guidance of unreason and chance

medley, or, on the  contrary, as our fathers  have declared, ordered and governed by a  marvellous intelligence

and  wisdom. 

PROTARCHUS: Wide asunder are the two assertions, illustrious  Socrates, for  that which you were just now

saying to me appears to be  blasphemy; but the  other assertion, that mind orders all things, is  worthy of the

aspect of  the world, and of the sun, and of the moon,  and of the stars and of the  whole circle of the heavens;

and never  will I say or think otherwise. 

SOCRATES: Shall we then agree with them of old time in  maintaining this  doctrine,not merely

reasserting the notions of  others, without risk to  ourselves,but shall we share in the danger,  and take our

part of the  reproach which will await us, when an  ingenious individual declares that  all is disorder? 

PROTARCHUS: That would certainly be my wish. 

SOCRATES: Then now please to consider the next stage of the  argument. 

PROTARCHUS: Let me hear. 

SOCRATES: We see that the elements which enter into the  nature of the  bodies of all animals, fire, water,

air, and, as the  stormtossed sailor  cries, 'land' (i.e., earth), reappear in the  constitution of the world. 

PROTARCHUS: The proverb may be applied to us; for truly the  storm gathers  over us, and we are at our

wit's end. 

SOCRATES: There is something to be remarked about each of  these elements. 

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SOCRATES: Only a small fraction of any one of them exists in  us, and that  of a mean sort, and not in any

way pure, or having any  power worthy of its  nature.  One instance will prove this of all of  them; there is fire

within  us, and in the universe. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And is not our fire small and weak and mean?  But  the fire in  the universe is wonderful in

quantity and beauty, and in  every power that  fire has. 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: And is the fire in the universe nourished and  generated and  ruled by the fire in us, or is the fire

in you and me,  and in other  animals, dependent on the universal fire? 

PROTARCHUS: That is a question which does not deserve an  answer. 

SOCRATES: Right; and you would say the same, if I am not  mistaken, of the  earth which is in animals and

the earth which is in  the universe, and you  would give a similar reply about all the other  elements? 

PROTARCHUS: Why, how could any man who gave any other be  deemed in his  senses? 

SOCRATES: I do not think that he couldbut now go on to the  next step.  When we saw those elements of

which we have been speaking  gathered up in  one, did we not call them a body? 

PROTARCHUS: We did. 

SOCRATES: And the same may be said of the cosmos, which for  the same  reason may be considered to be a

body, because made up of the  same  elements. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: But is our body nourished wholly by this body, or  is this body  nourished by our body, thence

deriving and having the  qualities of which we  were just now speaking? 

PROTARCHUS: That again, Socrates, is a question which does  not deserve to  be asked. 

SOCRATES: Well, tell me, is this question worth asking? 

PROTARCHUS: What question? 

SOCRATES: May our body be said to have a soul? 

PROTARCHUS: Clearly. 

SOCRATES: And whence comes that soul, my dear Protarchus,  unless the body  of the universe, which

contains elements like those in  our bodies but in  every way fairer, had also a soul?  Can there be  another

source? 

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SOCRATES: Why, yes, Protarchus; for surely we cannot imagine  that of the  four classes, the finite, the

infinite, the composition of  the two, and the  cause, the fourth, which enters into all things,  giving to our

bodies  souls, and the art of selfmanagement, and of  healing disease, and  operating in other ways to heal and

organize,  having too all the attributes  of wisdom;we cannot, I say, imagine  that whereas the selfsame

elements  exist, both in the entire heaven  and in great provinces of the heaven, only  fairer and purer, this last

should not also in that higher sphere have  designed the noblest and  fairest things? 

PROTARCHUS: Such a supposition is quite unreasonable. 

SOCRATES: Then if this be denied, should we not be wise in  adopting the  other view and maintaining that

there is in the universe  a mighty infinite  and an adequate limit, of which we have often  spoken, as well as a

presiding cause of no mean power, which orders  and arranges years and  seasons and months, and may be

justly called  wisdom and mind? 

PROTARCHUS: Most justly. 

SOCRATES: And wisdom and mind cannot exist without soul? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not. 

SOCRATES: And in the divine nature of Zeus would you not say  that there is  the soul and mind of a king,

because there is in him the  power of the  cause?  And other gods have other attributes, by which  they are

pleased to  be called. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: Do not then suppose that these words are rashly  spoken by us, O  Protarchus, for they are in

harmony with the testimony  of those who said of  old time that mind rules the universe. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And they furnish an answer to my enquiry; for they  imply that  mind is the parent of that class

of the four which we  called the cause of  all; and I think that you now have my answer. 

PROTARCHUS: I have indeed, and yet I did not observe that  you had  answered. 

SOCRATES: A jest is sometimes refreshing, Protarchus, when  it interrupts  earnest. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: I think, friend, that we have now pretty clearly  set forth the  class to which mind belongs and

what is the power of  mind. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And the class to which pleasure belongs has also  been long ago  discovered? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And let us remember, too, of both of them, (1)  that mind was  akin to the cause and of this

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a  beginning, middle, or end of its own. 

PROTARCHUS: I shall be sure to remember. 

SOCRATES: We must next examine what is their place and under  what  conditions they are generated.  And

we will begin with pleasure,  since her  class was first examined; and yet pleasure cannot be rightly  tested apart

from pain. 

PROTARCHUS: If this is the road, let us take it. 

SOCRATES: I wonder whether you would agree with me about the  origin of  pleasure and pain. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean? 

SOCRATES: I mean to say that their natural seat is in the  mixed class. 

PROTARCHUS: And would you tell me again, sweet Socrates,  which of the  aforesaid classes is the mixed

one? 

SOCRATES: I will, my fine fellow, to the best of my ability. 

PROTARCHUS: Very good. 

SOCRATES: Let us then understand the mixed class to be that  which we  placed third in the list of four. 

PROTARCHUS: That which followed the infinite and the finite;  and in which  you ranked health, and, if I

am not mistaken, harmony. 

SOCRATES: Capital; and now will you please to give me your  best attention? 

PROTARCHUS: Proceed; I am attending. 

SOCRATES: I say that when the harmony in animals is  dissolved, there is  also a dissolution of nature and a

generation of  pain. 

PROTARCHUS: That is very probable. 

SOCRATES: And the restoration of harmony and return to  nature is the  source of pleasure, if I may be

allowed to speak in the  fewest and shortest  words about matters of the greatest moment. 

PROTARCHUS: I believe that you are right, Socrates; but will  you try to be  a little plainer? 

SOCRATES: Do not obvious and everyday phenomena furnish the  simplest  illustration? 

PROTARCHUS: What phenomena do you mean? 

SOCRATES: Hunger, for example, is a dissolution and a pain. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

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PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: Thirst again is a destruction and a pain, but the  effect of  moisture replenishing the dry place is

a pleasure:  once  more, the  unnatural separation and dissolution caused by heat is  painful, and the  natural

restoration and refrigeration is pleasant. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And the unnatural freezing of the moisture in an  animal is pain,  and the natural process of

resolution and return of  the elements to their  original state is pleasure.  And would not the  general proposition

seem to  you to hold, that the destroying of the  natural union of the finite and  infinite, which, as I was

observing  before, make up the class of living  beings, is pain, and that the  process of return of all things to

their own  nature is pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: Granted; what you say has a general truth. 

SOCRATES: Here then is one kind of pleasures and pains  originating  severally in the two processes which

we have described? 

PROTARCHUS: Good. 

SOCRATES: Let us next assume that in the soul herself there  is an  antecedent hope of pleasure which is

sweet and refreshing, and  an  expectation of pain, fearful and anxious. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes; this is another class of pleasures and  pains, which is of  the soul only, apart from the

body, and is produced  by expectation. 

SOCRATES: Right; for in the analysis of these, pure, as I  suppose them to  be, the pleasures being unalloyed

with pain and the  pains with pleasure,  methinks that we shall see clearly whether the  whole class of pleasure

is  to be desired, or whether this quality of  entire desirableness is not  rather to be attributed to another of the

classes which have been  mentioned; and whether pleasure and pain, like  heat and cold, and other  things of the

same kind, are not sometimes to  be desired and sometimes not  to be desired, as being not in themselves  good,

but only sometimes and in  some instances admitting of the nature  of good. 

PROTARCHUS: You say most truly that this is the track which  the  investigation should pursue. 

SOCRATES: Well, then, assuming that pain ensues on the  dissolution, and  pleasure on the restoration of the

harmony, let us  now ask what will be the  condition of animated beings who are neither  in process of

restoration nor  of dissolution.  And mind what you say:  I ask whether any animal who is in  that condition can

possibly have  any feeling of pleasure or pain, great or  small? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not. 

SOCRATES: Then here we have a third state, over and above  that of pleasure  and of pain? 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And do not forget that there is such a state; it  will make a  great difference in our judgment of

pleasure, whether we  remember this or  not.  And I should like to say a few words about it. 

PROTARCHUS: What have you to say? 


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SOCRATES: Why, you know that if a man chooses the life of  wisdom, there is  no reason why he should not

live in this neutral  state. 

PROTARCHUS: You mean that he may live neither rejoicing nor  sorrowing? 

SOCRATES: Yes; and if I remember rightly, when the lives  were compared, no  degree of pleasure, whether

great or small, was  thought to be necessary to  him who chose the life of thought and  wisdom. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, certainly, we said so. 

SOCRATES: Then he will live without pleasure; and who knows  whether this  may not be the most divine of

all lives? 

PROTARCHUS: If so, the gods, at any rate, cannot be supposed  to have  either joy or sorrow. 

SOCRATES: Certainly notthere would be a great impropriety  in the  assumption of either alternative.  But

whether the gods are or  are not  indifferent to pleasure is a point which may be considered  hereafter if in  any

way relevant to the argument, and whatever is the  conclusion we will  place it to the account of mind in her

contest for  the second place, should  she have to resign the first. 

PROTARCHUS: Just so. 

SOCRATES: The other class of pleasures, which as we were  saying is purely  mental, is entirely derived

from memory. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean? 

SOCRATES: I must first of all analyze memory, or rather  perception which  is prior to memory, if the

subject of our discussion  is ever to be properly  cleared up. 

PROTARCHUS: How will you proceed? 

SOCRATES: Let us imagine affections of the body which are  extinguished  before they reach the soul, and

leave her unaffected; and  again, other  affections which vibrate through both soul and body, and  impart a

shock to  both and to each of them. 

PROTARCHUS: Granted. 

SOCRATES: And the soul may be truly said to be oblivious of  the first but  not of the second? 

PROTARCHUS: Quite true. 

SOCRATES: When I say oblivious, do not suppose that I mean  forgetfulness  in a literal sense; for

forgetfulness is the exit of  memory, which in this  case has not yet entered; and to speak of the  loss of that

which is not yet  in existence, and never has been, is a  contradiction; do you see? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: Then just be so good as to change the terms. 

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SOCRATES: Instead of the oblivion of the soul, when you are  describing the  state in which she is unaffected

by the shocks of the  body, say  unconsciousness. 

PROTARCHUS: I see. 

SOCRATES: And the union or communion of soul and body in one  feeling and  motion would be properly

called consciousness? 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: Then now we know the meaning of the word? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And memory may, I think, be rightly described as  the  preservation of consciousness? 

PROTARCHUS: Right. 

SOCRATES: But do we not distinguish memory from  recollection? 

PROTARCHUS: I think so. 

SOCRATES: And do we not mean by recollection the power which  the soul has  of recovering, when by

herself, some feeling which she  experienced when in  company with the body? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And when she recovers of herself the lost  recollection of some  consciousness or knowledge,

the recovery is  termed recollection and  reminiscence? 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: There is a reason why I say all this. 

PROTARCHUS: What is it? 

SOCRATES: I want to attain the plainest possible notion of  pleasure and  desire, as they exist in the mind

only, apart from the  body; and the  previous analysis helps to show the nature of both. 

PROTARCHUS: Then now, Socrates, let us proceed to the next  point. 

SOCRATES: There are certainly many things to be considered  in discussing  the generation and whole

complexion of pleasure.  At the  outset we must  determine the nature and seat of desire. 

PROTARCHUS: Ay; let us enquire into that, for we shall lose  nothing. 

SOCRATES: Nay, Protarchus, we shall surely lose the puzzle  if we find the  answer. 

PROTARCHUS: A fair retort; but let us proceed. 

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PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And yet they are very different; what common  nature have we in  view when we call them by a

single name? 

PROTARCHUS: By heavens, Socrates, that is a question which  is not easily  answered; but it must be

answered. 

SOCRATES: Then let us go back to our examples. 

PROTARCHUS: Where shall we begin? 

SOCRATES: Do we mean anything when we say 'a man thirsts'? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: We mean to say that he 'is empty'? 

PROTARCHUS: Of course. 

SOCRATES: And is not thirst desire? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, of drink. 

SOCRATES: Would you say of drink, or of replenishment with  drink? 

PROTARCHUS: I should say, of replenishment with drink. 

SOCRATES: Then he who is empty desires, as would appear, the  opposite of  what he experiences; for he is

empty and desires to be  full? 

PROTARCHUS: Clearly so. 

SOCRATES: But how can a man who is empty for the first time,  attain either  by perception or memory to

any apprehension of  replenishment, of which he  has no present or past experience? 

PROTARCHUS: Impossible. 

SOCRATES: And yet he who desires, surely desires something? 

PROTARCHUS: Of course. 

SOCRATES: He does not desire that which he experiences, for  he experiences  thirst, and thirst is emptiness;

but he desires  replenishment? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: Then there must be something in the thirsty man  which in some  way apprehends

replenishment? 

PROTARCHUS: There must. 


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SOCRATES: And that cannot be the body, for the body is  supposed to be  emptied? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: The only remaining alternative is that the soul  apprehends the  replenishment by the help of

memory; as is obvious, for  what other way can  there be? 

PROTARCHUS: I cannot imagine any other. 

SOCRATES: But do you see the consequence? 

PROTARCHUS: What is it? 

SOCRATES: That there is no such thing as desire of the body. 

PROTARCHUS: Why so? 

SOCRATES: Why, because the argument shows that the endeavour  of every  animal is to the reverse of his

bodily state. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And the impulse which leads him to the opposite of  what he is  experiencing proves that he has

a memory of the opposite  state. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And the argument, having proved that memory  attracts us towards  the objects of desire, proves

also that the  impulses and the desires and  the moving principle in every living  being have their origin in the

soul. 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: The argument will not allow that our body either  hungers or  thirsts or has any similar

experience. 

PROTARCHUS: Quite right. 

SOCRATES: Let me make a further observation; the argument  appears to me to  imply that there is a kind of

life which consists in  these affections. 

PROTARCHUS: Of what affections, and of what kind of life,  are you  speaking? 

SOCRATES: I am speaking of being emptied and replenished,  and of all that  relates to the preservation and

destruction of living  beings, as well as of  the pain which is felt in one of these states  and of the pleasure

which  succeeds to it. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

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PROTARCHUS: What do you mean by 'intermediate'? 

SOCRATES: I mean when a person is in actual suffering and  yet remembers  past pleasures which, if they

would only return, would  relieve him; but as  yet he has them not.  May we not say of him, that  he is in an

intermediate  state? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Would you say that he was wholly pained or wholly  pleased? 

PROTARCHUS: Nay, I should say that he has two pains; in his  body there is  the actual experience of pain,

and in his soul longing  and expectation. 

SOCRATES: What do you mean, Protarchus, by the two pains?  May not a man  who is empty have at one

time a sure hope of being  filled, and at other  times be quite in despair? 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And has he not the pleasure of memory when he is  hoping to be  filled, and yet in that he is

empty is he not at the same  time in pain? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Then man and the other animals have at the same  time both  pleasure and pain? 

PROTARCHUS: I suppose so. 

SOCRATES: But when a man is empty and has no hope of being  filled, there  will be the double experience

of pain.  You observed  this and inferred that  the double experience was the single case  possible. 

PROTARCHUS: Quite true, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: Shall the enquiry into these states of feeling be  made the  occasion of raising a question? 

PROTARCHUS: What question? 

SOCRATES: Whether we ought to say that the pleasures and  pains of which we  are speaking are true or

false? or some true and  some false? 

PROTARCHUS: But how, Socrates, can there be false pleasures  and pains? 

SOCRATES: And how, Protarchus, can there be true and false  fears, or true  and false expectations, or true

and false opinions? 

PROTARCHUS: I grant that opinions may be true or false, but  not pleasures. 

SOCRATES: What do you mean?  I am afraid that we are raising  a very  serious enquiry. 

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SOCRATES: And yet, my boy, for you are one of Philebus'  boys, the point to  be considered, is, whether the

enquiry is relevant  to the argument. 

PROTARCHUS: Surely. 

SOCRATES: No tedious and irrelevant discussion can be  allowed; what is  said should be pertinent. 

PROTARCHUS: Right. 

SOCRATES: I am always wondering at the question which has  now been raised. 

PROTARCHUS: How so? 

SOCRATES: Do you deny that some pleasures are false, and  others true? 

PROTARCHUS: To be sure I do. 

SOCRATES: Would you say that no one ever seemed to rejoice  and yet did not  rejoice, or seemed to feel

pain and yet did not feel  pain, sleeping or  waking, mad or lunatic? 

PROTARCHUS: So we have always held, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: But were you right?  Shall we enquire into the  truth of your  opinion? 

PROTARCHUS: I think that we should. 

SOCRATES: Let us then put into more precise terms the  question which has  arisen about pleasure and

opinion.  Is there such a  thing as opinion? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And such a thing as pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And an opinion must be of something? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And a man must be pleased by something? 

PROTARCHUS: Quite correct. 

SOCRATES: And whether the opinion be right or wrong, makes  no difference;  it will still be an opinion? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And he who is pleased, whether he is rightly  pleased or not,  will always have a real feeling of

pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes; that is also quite true. 


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SOCRATES: Then, how can opinion be both true and false, and  pleasure true  only, although pleasure and

opinion are both equally  real? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes; that is the question. 

SOCRATES: You mean that opinion admits of truth and  falsehood, and hence  becomes not merely opinion,

but opinion of a  certain quality; and this is  what you think should be examined? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And further, even if we admit the existence of  qualities in  other objects, may not pleasure and

pain be simple and  devoid of quality? 

PROTARCHUS: Clearly. 

SOCRATES: But there is no difficulty in seeing that pleasure  and pain as  well as opinion have qualities, for

they are great or  small, and have  various degrees of intensity; as was indeed said long  ago by us. 

PROTARCHUS: Quite true. 

SOCRATES: And if badness attaches to any of them,  Protarchus, then we  should speak of a bad opinion or

of a bad  pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: Quite true, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: And if rightness attaches to any of them, should  we not speak of  a right opinion or right

pleasure; and in like manner  of the reverse of  rightness? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And if the thing opined be erroneous, might we not  say that the  opinion, being erroneous, is

not right or rightly opined? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And if we see a pleasure or pain which errs in  respect of its  object, shall we call that right or

good, or by any  honourable name? 

PROTARCHUS: Not if the pleasure is mistaken; how could we? 

SOCRATES: And surely pleasure often appears to accompany an  opinion which  is not true, but false? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly it does; and in that case, Socrates,  as we were  saying, the opinion is false, but no

one could call the  actual pleasure  false. 

SOCRATES: How eagerly, Protarchus, do you rush to the  defence of pleasure! 

PROTARCHUS: Nay, Socrates, I only repeat what I hear. 

SOCRATES: And is there no difference, my friend, between  that pleasure  which is associated with right

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PROTARCHUS: There must be a very great difference, between  them. 

SOCRATES: Then, now let us proceed to contemplate this  difference. 

PROTARCHUS: Lead, and I will follow. 

SOCRATES: Well, then, my view is 

PROTARCHUS: What is it? 

SOCRATES: We agreedo we not?that there is such a thing  as false, and  also such a thing as true

opinion? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And pleasure and pain, as I was just now saying,  are often  consequent upon theseupon true

and false opinion, I mean. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And do not opinion and the endeavour to form an  opinion always  spring from memory and

perception? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Might we imagine the process to be something of  this nature? 

PROTARCHUS: Of what nature? 

SOCRATES: An object may be often seen at a distance not very  clearly, and  the seer may want to determine

what it is which he sees. 

PROTARCHUS: Very likely. 

SOCRATES: Soon he begins to interrogate himself. 

PROTARCHUS: In what manner? 

SOCRATES: He asks himself'What is that which appears to be  standing by  the rock under the tree?'  This

is the question which he  may be supposed to  put to himself when he sees such an appearance. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: To which he may guess the right answer, saying as  if in a  whisper to himself'It is a man.' 

PROTARCHUS: Very good. 

SOCRATES: Or again, he may be misled, and then he will  say'No, it is a  figure made by the shepherds.' 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 


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SOCRATES: And if he has a companion, he repeats his thought  to him in  articulate sounds, and what was

before an opinion, has now  become a  proposition. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: But if he be walking alone when these thoughts  occur to him, he  may not unfrequently keep

them in his mind for a  considerable time. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: Well, now, I wonder whether you would agree in my  explanation of  this phenomenon. 

PROTARCHUS: What is your explanation? 

SOCRATES: I think that the soul at such times is like a  book. 

PROTARCHUS: How so? 

SOCRATES: Memory and perception meet, and they and their  attendant  feelings seem to almost to write

down words in the soul, and  when the  inscribing feeling writes truly, then true opinion and true  propositions

which are the expressions of opinion come into our  soulsbut when the  scribe within us writes falsely, the

result is  false. 

PROTARCHUS: I quite assent and agree to your statement. 

SOCRATES: I must bespeak your favour also for another  artist, who is busy  at the same time in the

chambers of the soul. 

PROTARCHUS: Who is he? 

SOCRATES: The painter, who, after the scribe has done his  work, draws  images in the soul of the things

which he has described. 

PROTARCHUS: But when and how does he do this? 

SOCRATES: When a man, besides receiving from sight or some  other sense  certain opinions or statements,

sees in his mind the  images of the subjects  of them;is not this a very common mental  phenomenon? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And the images answering to true opinions and  words are true,  and to false opinions and words

false; are they not? 

PROTARCHUS: They are. 

SOCRATES: If we are right so far, there arises a further  question. 

PROTARCHUS: What is it? 

SOCRATES: Whether we experience the feeling of which I am  speaking only in  relation to the present and

the past, or in relation  to the future also? 


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PROTARCHUS: I should say in relation to all times alike. 

SOCRATES: Have not purely mental pleasures and pains been  described  already as in some cases

anticipations of the bodily ones;  from which we  may infer that anticipatory pleasures and pains have to  do

with the future? 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: And do all those writings and paintings which, as  we were saying  a little while ago, are

produced in us, relate to the  past and present  only, and not to the future? 

PROTARCHUS: To the future, very much. 

SOCRATES: When you say, 'Very much,' you mean to imply that  all these  representations are hopes about

the future, and that mankind  are filled  with hopes in every stage of existence? 

PROTARCHUS: Exactly. 

SOCRATES: Answer me another question. 

PROTARCHUS: What question? 

SOCRATES: A just and pious and good man is the friend of the  gods; is he  not? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly he is. 

SOCRATES: And the unjust and utterly bad man is the reverse? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And all men, as we were saying just now, are  always filled with  hopes? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And these hopes, as they are termed, are  propositions which  exist in the minds of each of us? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And the fancies of hope are also pictured in us; a  man may often  have a vision of a heap of

gold, and pleasures ensuing,  and in the picture  there may be a likeness of himself mightily  rejoicing over his

good  fortune. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And may we not say that the good, being friends of  the gods,  have generally true pictures

presented to them, and the bad  false pictures? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: The bad, too, have pleasures painted in their  fancy as well as  the good; but I presume that they

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PROTARCHUS: They are. 

SOCRATES: The bad then commonly delight in false pleasures,  and the good  in true pleasures? 

PROTARCHUS: Doubtless. 

SOCRATES: Then upon this view there are false pleasures in  the souls of  men which are a ludicrous

imitation of the true, and  there are pains of a  similar character? 

PROTARCHUS: There are. 

SOCRATES: And did we not allow that a man who had an opinion  at all had a  real opinion, but often about

things which had no  existence either in the  past, present, or future? 

PROTARCHUS: Quite true. 

SOCRATES: And this was the source of false opinion and  opining; am I not  right? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And must we not attribute to pleasure and pain a  similar real  but illusory character? 

PROTARCHUS: How do you mean? 

SOCRATES: I mean to say that a man must be admitted to have  real pleasure  who is pleased with anything

or anyhow; and he may be  pleased about things  which neither have nor have ever had any real  existence, and,

more often  than not, are never likely to exist. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, Socrates, that again is undeniable. 

SOCRATES: And may not the same be said about fear and anger  and the like;  are they not often false? 

PROTARCHUS: Quite so. 

SOCRATES: And can opinions be good or bad except in as far  as they are  true or false? 

PROTARCHUS: In no other way. 

SOCRATES: Nor can pleasures be conceived to be bad except in  so far as  they are false. 

PROTARCHUS: Nay, Socrates, that is the very opposite of  truth; for no one  would call pleasures and pains

bad because they are  false, but by reason of  some other great corruption to which they are  liable. 

SOCRATES: Well, of pleasures which are corrupt and caused by  corruption we  will hereafter speak, if we

care to continue the  enquiry; for the present I  would rather show by another argument that  there are many

false pleasures  existing or coming into existence in  us, because this may assist our final  decision. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true; that is to say, if there are such  pleasures. 

SOCRATES: I think that there are, Protarchus; but this is an  opinion which  should be well assured, and not

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PROTARCHUS: Very good. 

SOCRATES: Then now, like wrestlers, let us approach and  grasp this new  argument. 

PROTARCHUS: Proceed. 

SOCRATES: We were maintaining a little while since, that  when desires, as  they are termed, exist in us,

then the body has  separate feelings apart  from the souldo you remember? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, I remember that you said so. 

SOCRATES: And the soul was supposed to desire the opposite  of the bodily  state, while the body was the

source of any pleasure or  pain which was  experienced. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: Then now you may infer what happens in such cases. 

PROTARCHUS: What am I to infer? 

SOCRATES: That in such cases pleasures and pains come  simultaneously; and  there is a juxtaposition of the

opposite  sensations which correspond to  them, as has been already shown. 

PROTARCHUS: Clearly. 

SOCRATES: And there is another point to which we have  agreed. 

PROTARCHUS: What is it? 

SOCRATES: That pleasure and pain both admit of more and  less, and that  they are of the class of infinites. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly, we said so. 

SOCRATES: But how can we rightly judge of them? 

PROTARCHUS: How can we? 

SOCRATES: Is it our intention to judge of their comparative  importance and  intensity, measuring pleasure

against pain, and pain  against pain, and  pleasure against pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, such is our intention, and we shall judge  of them  accordingly. 

SOCRATES: Well, take the case of sight.  Does not the  nearness or distance  of magnitudes obscure their true

proportions, and  make us opine falsely;  and do we not find the same illusion happening  in the case of

pleasures and  pains? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, Socrates, and in a degree far greater. 

SOCRATES: Then what we are now saying is the opposite of  what we were  saying before. 

PROTARCHUS: What was that? 


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SOCRATES: Then the opinions were true and false, and  infected the  pleasures and pains with their own

falsity. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: But now it is the pleasures which are said to be  true and false  because they are seen at various

distances, and  subjected to comparison;  the pleasures appear to be greater and more  vehement when placed

side by  side with the pains, and the pains when  placed side by side with the  pleasures. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly, and for the reason which you mention. 

SOCRATES: And suppose you part off from pleasures and pains  the element  which makes them appear to

be greater or less than they  really are:  you  will acknowledge that this element is illusory, and  you will never

say that  the corresponding excess or defect of pleasure  or pain is real or true. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not. 

SOCRATES: Next let us see whether in another direction we  may not find  pleasures and pains existing and

appearing in living  beings, which are  still more false than these. 

PROTARCHUS: What are they, and how shall we find them? 

SOCRATES: If I am not mistaken, I have often repeated that  pains and aches  and suffering and uneasiness

of all sorts arise out of  a corruption of  nature caused by concretions, and dissolutions, and  repletions, and

evacuations, and also by growth and decay? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, that has been often said. 

SOCRATES: And we have also agreed that the restoration of  the natural  state is pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: Right. 

SOCRATES: But now let us suppose an interval of time at  which the body  experiences none of these

changes. 

PROTARCHUS: When can that be, Socrates? 

SOCRATES: Your question, Protarchus, does not help the  argument. 

PROTARCHUS: Why not, Socrates? 

SOCRATES: Because it does not prevent me from repeating  mine. 

PROTARCHUS: And what was that? 

SOCRATES: Why, Protarchus, admitting that there is no such  interval, I may  ask what would be the

necessary consequence if there  were? 

PROTARCHUS: You mean, what would happen if the body were not  changed  either for good or bad? 

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PROTARCHUS: Why then, Socrates, I should suppose that there  would be  neither pleasure nor pain. 

SOCRATES: Very good; but still, if I am not mistaken, you do  assert that  we must always be experiencing

one of them; that is what  the wise tell us;  for, say they, all things are ever flowing up and  down. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, and their words are of no mean authority. 

SOCRATES: Of course, for they are no mean authorities  themselves; and I  should like to avoid the brunt of

their argument.  Shall I tell you how I  mean to escape from them?  And you shall be  the partner of my flight. 

PROTARCHUS: How? 

SOCRATES: To them we will say:  'Good; but are we, or living  things in  general, always conscious of what

happens to usfor  example, of our  growth, or the like?  Are we not, on the contrary,  almost wholly

unconscious of this and similar phenomena?'  You must  answer for them. 

PROTARCHUS: The latter alternative is the true one. 

SOCRATES: Then we were not right in saying, just now, that  motions going  up and down cause pleasures

and pains? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: A better and more unexceptionable way of speaking  will be 

PROTARCHUS: What? 

SOCRATES: If we say that the great changes produce pleasures  and pains,  but that the moderate and lesser

ones do neither. 

PROTARCHUS: That, Socrates, is the more correct mode of  speaking. 

SOCRATES: But if this be true, the life to which I was just  now referring  again appears. 

PROTARCHUS: What life? 

SOCRATES: The life which we affirmed to be devoid either of  pain or of  joy. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: We may assume then that there are three lives, one  pleasant, one  painful, and the third which is

neither; what say you? 

PROTARCHUS: I should say as you do that there are three of  them. 

SOCRATES: But if so, the negation of pain will not be the  same with  pleasure. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not. 

SOCRATES: Then when you hear a person saying, that always to  live without  pain is the pleasantest of all

things, what would you  understand him to  mean by that statement? 


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PROTARCHUS: I think that by pleasure he must mean the  negative of pain. 

SOCRATES: Let us take any three things; or suppose that we  embellish a  little and call the first gold, the

second silver, and  there shall be a  third which is neither. 

PROTARCHUS: Very good. 

SOCRATES: Now, can that which is neither be either gold or  silver? 

PROTARCHUS: Impossible. 

SOCRATES: No more can that neutral or middle life be rightly  or reasonably  spoken or thought of as

pleasant or painful. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not. 

SOCRATES: And yet, my friend, there are, as we know, persons  who say and  think so. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And do they think that they have pleasure when  they are free  from pain? 

PROTARCHUS: They say so. 

SOCRATES: And they must think or they would not say that  they have  pleasure. 

PROTARCHUS: I suppose not. 

SOCRATES: And yet if pleasure and the negation of pain are  of distinct  natures, they are wrong. 

PROTARCHUS: But they are undoubtedly of distinct natures. 

SOCRATES: Then shall we take the view that they are three,  as we were just  now saying, or that they are

two onlythe one being a  state of pain, which  is an evil, and the other a cessation of pain,  which is of itself a

good,  and is called pleasant? 

PROTARCHUS: But why, Socrates, do we ask the question at  all?  I do not  see the reason. 

SOCRATES: You, Protarchus, have clearly never heard of  certain enemies of  our friend Philebus. 

PROTARCHUS: And who may they be? 

SOCRATES: Certain persons who are reputed to be masters in  natural  philosophy, who deny the very

existence of pleasure. 

PROTARCHUS: Indeed! 

SOCRATES: They say that what the school of Philebus calls  pleasures are  all of them only avoidances of

pain. 

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SOCRATES: Why, no, I would rather use them as a sort of  diviners, who  divine the truth, not by rules of art,

but by an  instinctive repugnance and  extreme detestation which a noble nature  has of the power of pleasure,

in  which they think that there is  nothing sound, and her seductive influence  is declared by them to be

witchcraft, and not pleasure.  This is the use  which you may make of  them.  And when you have considered

the various  grounds of their  dislike, you shall hear from me what I deem to be true  pleasures.  Having thus

examined the nature of pleasure from both points of  view,  we will bring her up for judgment. 

PROTARCHUS: Well said. 

SOCRATES: Then let us enter into an alliance with these  philosophers and  follow in the track of their

dislike.  I imagine that  they would say  something of this sort; they would begin at the  beginning, and ask

whether,  if we wanted to know the nature of any  quality, such as hardness, we should  be more likely to

discover it by  looking at the hardest things, rather than  at the least hard?  You,  Protarchus, shall answer these

severe gentlemen as  you answer me. 

PROTARCHUS: By all means, and I reply to them, that you  should look at the  greatest instances. 

SOCRATES: Then if we want to see the true nature of  pleasures as a class,  we should not look at the most

diluted  pleasures, but at the most extreme  and most vehement? 

PROTARCHUS: In that every one will agree. 

SOCRATES: And the obvious instances of the greatest  pleasures, as we have  often said, are the pleasures of

the body? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And are they felt by us to be or become greater,  when we are  sick or when we are in health?

And here we must be  careful in our answer,  or we shall come to grief. 

PROTARCHUS: How will that be? 

SOCRATES: Why, because we might be tempted to answer, 'When  we are in  health.' 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, that is the natural answer. 

SOCRATES: Well, but are not those pleasures the greatest of  which mankind  have the greatest desires? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And do not people who are in a fever, or any  similar illness,  feel cold or thirst or other bodily

affections more  intensely?  Am I not  right in saying that they have a deeper want and  greater pleasure in the

satisfaction of their want? 

PROTARCHUS: That is obvious as soon as it is said. 

SOCRATES: Well, then, shall we not be right in saying, that  if a person  would wish to see the greatest

pleasures he ought to go  and look, not at  health, but at disease?  And here you must  distinguish:do not

imagine  that I mean to ask whether those who are  very ill have more pleasures than  those who are well, but

understand  that I am speaking of the magnitude of  pleasure; I want to know where  pleasures are found to be

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her  very existence. 

PROTARCHUS: I think I follow you. 

SOCRATES: You will soon have a better opportunity of showing  whether you  do or not, Protarchus.

Answer now, and tell me whether  you see, I will not  say more, but more intense and excessive pleasures  in

wantonness than in  temperance?  Reflect before you speak. 

PROTARCHUS: I understand you, and see that there is a great  difference  between them; the temperate are

restrained by the wise  man's aphorism of  'Never too much,' which is their rule, but excess of  pleasure

possessing  the minds of fools and wantons becomes madness and  makes them shout with  delight. 

SOCRATES: Very good, and if this be true, then the greatest  pleasures and  pains will clearly be found in

some vicious state of  soul and body, and not  in a virtuous state. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And ought we not to select some of these for  examination, and  see what makes them the

greatest? 

PROTARCHUS: To be sure we ought. 

SOCRATES: Take the case of the pleasures which arise out of  certain  disorders. 

PROTARCHUS: What disorders? 

SOCRATES: The pleasures of unseemly disorders, which our  severe friends  utterly detest. 

PROTARCHUS: What pleasures? 

SOCRATES: Such, for example, as the relief of itching and  other ailments  by scratching, which is the only

remedy required.  For  what in Heaven's  name is the feeling to be called which is thus  produced in

us?Pleasure or  pain? 

PROTARCHUS: A villainous mixture of some kind, Socrates, I  should say. 

SOCRATES: I did not introduce the argument, O Protarchus,  with any  personal reference to Philebus, but

because, without the  consideration of  these and similar pleasures, we shall not be able to  determine the point

at  issue. 

PROTARCHUS: Then we had better proceed to analyze this  family of  pleasures. 

SOCRATES: You mean the pleasures which are mingled with  pain? 

PROTARCHUS: Exactly. 

SOCRATES: There are some mixtures which are of the body, and  only in the  body, and others which are of

the soul, and only in the  soul; while there  are other mixtures of pleasures with pains, common  both to soul

and body,  which in their composite state are called  sometimes pleasures and sometimes  pains. 

PROTARCHUS: How is that? 


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SOCRATES: Whenever, in the restoration or in the derangement  of nature, a  man experiences two opposite

feelings; for example, when  he is cold and is  growing warm, or again, when he is hot and is  becoming cool,

and he wants  to have the one and be rid of the  other;the sweet has a bitter, as the  common saying is, and

both  together fasten upon him and create irritation  and in time drive him  to distraction. 

PROTARCHUS: That description is very true to nature. 

SOCRATES: And in these sorts of mixtures the pleasures and  pains are  sometimes equal, and sometimes

one or other of them  predominates? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: Of cases in which the pain exceeds the pleasure,  an example is  afforded by itching, of which

we were just now speaking,  and by the  tingling which we feel when the boiling and fiery element  is within,

and  the rubbing and motion only relieves the surface, and  does not reach the  parts affected; then if you put

them to the fire,  and as a last resort  apply cold to them, you may often produce the  most intense pleasure or

pain  in the inner parts, which contrasts and  mingles with the pain or pleasure,  as the case may be, of the outer

parts; and this is due to the forcible  separation of what is united,  or to the union of what is separated, and to

the juxtaposition of  pleasure and pain. 

PROTARCHUS: Quite so. 

SOCRATES: Sometimes the element of pleasure prevails in a  man, and the  slight undercurrent of pain

makes him tingle, and causes  a gentle  irritation; or again, the excessive infusion of pleasure  creates an

excitement in him,he even leaps for joy, he assumes all  sorts of  attitudes, he changes all manner of colours,

he gasps for  breath, and is  quite amazed, and utters the most irrational  exclamations. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, indeed. 

SOCRATES: He will say of himself, and others will say of  him, that he is  dying with these delights; and the

more dissipated and  goodfornothing he  is, the more vehemently he pursues them in every  way; of all

pleasures he  declares them to be the greatest; and he  reckons him who lives in the most  constant enjoyment of

them to be the  happiest of mankind. 

PROTARCHUS: That, Socrates, is a very true description of  the opinions of  the majority about pleasures. 

SOCRATES: Yes, Protarchus, quite true of the mixed  pleasures, which arise  out of the communion of

external and internal  sensations in the body; there  are also cases in which the mind  contributes an opposite

element to the  body, whether of pleasure or  pain, and the two unite and form one mixture.  Concerning these I

have  already remarked, that when a man is empty he  desires to be full, and  has pleasure in hope and pain in

vacuity.  But now  I must further add  what I omitted before, that in all these and similar  emotions in which

body and mind are opposed (and they are innumerable),  pleasure and  pain coalesce in one. 

PROTARCHUS: I believe that to be quite true. 

SOCRATES: There still remains one other sort of admixture of  pleasures and  pains. 

PROTARCHUS: What is that? 

SOCRATES: The union which, as we were saying, the mind often  experiences  of purely mental feelings. 


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PROTARCHUS: What do you mean? 

SOCRATES: Why, do we not speak of anger, fear, desire,  sorrow, love,  emulation, envy, and the like, as

pains which belong to  the soul only? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And shall we not find them also full of the most  wonderful  pleasures? need I remind you of

the anger 

'Which stirs even a wise man to violence,  And is sweeter than  honey and the honeycomb?' 

And you remember how pleasures mingle with pains in lamentation and  bereavement? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, there is a natural connexion between them. 

SOCRATES: And you remember also how at the sight of  tragedies the  spectators smile through their tears? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly I do. 

SOCRATES: And are you aware that even at a comedy the soul  experiences a  mixed feeling of pain and

pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: I do not quite understand you. 

SOCRATES: I admit, Protarchus, that there is some difficulty  in  recognizing this mixture of feelings at a

comedy. 

PROTARCHUS: There is, I think. 

SOCRATES: And the greater the obscurity of the case the more  desirable is  the examination of it, because

the difficulty in  detecting other cases of  mixed pleasures and pains will be less. 

PROTARCHUS: Proceed. 

SOCRATES: I have just mentioned envy; would you not call  that a pain of  the soul? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And yet the envious man finds something in the  misfortunes of  his neighbours at which he is

pleased? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And ignorance, and what is termed clownishness,  are surely an  evil? 

PROTARCHUS: To be sure. 

SOCRATES: From these considerations learn to know the nature  of the  ridiculous. 

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SOCRATES: The ridiculous is in short the specific name which  is used to  describe the vicious form of a

certain habit; and of vice  in general it is  that kind which is most at variance with the  inscription at Delphi. 

PROTARCHUS: You mean, Socrates, 'Know thyself.' 

SOCRATES: I do; and the opposite would be, 'Know not  thyself.' 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And now, O Protarchus, try to divide this into  three. 

PROTARCHUS: Indeed I am afraid that I cannot. 

SOCRATES: Do you mean to say that I must make the division  for you? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, and what is more, I beg that you will. 

SOCRATES: Are there not three ways in which ignorance of  self may be  shown? 

PROTARCHUS: What are they? 

SOCRATES: In the first place, about money; the ignorant may  fancy himself  richer than he is. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, that is a very common error. 

SOCRATES: And still more often he will fancy that he is  taller or fairer  than he is, or that he has some other

advantage of  person which he really  has not. 

PROTARCHUS: Of course. 

SOCRATES: And yet surely by far the greatest number err  about the goods of  the mind; they imagine

themselves to be much better  men than they are. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, that is by far the commonest delusion. 

SOCRATES: And of all the virtues, is not wisdom the one  which the mass of  mankind are always claiming,

and which most arouses  in them a spirit of  contention and lying conceit of wisdom? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And may not all this be truly called an evil  condition? 

PROTARCHUS: Very evil. 

SOCRATES: But we must pursue the division a step further,  Protarchus, if  we would see in envy of the

childish sort a singular  mixture of pleasure  and pain. 

PROTARCHUS: How can we make the further division which you  suggest? 

SOCRATES: All who are silly enough to entertain this lying  conceit of  themselves may of course be

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PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Let this, then, be the principle of division;  those of them who  are weak and unable to revenge

themselves, when they  are laughed at, may be  truly called ridiculous, but those who can  defend themselves

may be more  truly described as strong and  formidable; for ignorance in the powerul is  hateful and horrible,

because hurtful to others both in reality and in  fiction, but  powerless ignorance may be reckoned, and in truth

is,  ridiculous. 

PROTARCHUS: That is very true, but I do not as yet see where  is the  admixture of pleasures and pains. 

SOCRATES: Well, then, let us examine the nature of envy. 

PROTARCHUS: Proceed. 

SOCRATES: Is not envy an unrighteous pleasure, and also an  unrighteous  pain? 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: There is nothing envious or wrong in rejoicing at  the  misfortunes of enemies? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not. 

SOCRATES: But to feel joy instead of sorrow at the sight of  our friends'  misfortunesis not that wrong? 

PROTARCHUS: Undoubtedly. 

SOCRATES: Did we not say that ignorance was always an evil? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And the three kinds of vain conceit in our friends  which we  enumeratedthe vain conceit of

beauty, of wisdom, and of  wealth, are  ridiculous if they are weak, and detestable when they are  powerful:

May we  not say, as I was saying before, that our friends  who are in this state of  mind, when harmless to

others, are simply  ridiculous? 

PROTARCHUS: They are ridiculous. 

SOCRATES: And do we not acknowledge this ignorance of theirs  to be a  misfortune? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And do we feel pain or pleasure in laughing at it? 

PROTARCHUS: Clearly we feel pleasure. 

SOCRATES: And was not envy the source of this pleasure which  we feel at  the misfortunes of friends? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Then the argument shows that when we laugh at the  folly of our  friends, pleasure, in mingling

with envy, mingles with  pain, for envy has  been acknowledged by us to be mental pain, and  laughter is


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pleasant; and so  we envy and laugh at the same instant. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And the argument implies that there are  combinations of pleasure  and pain in lamentations,

and in tragedy and  comedy, not only on the stage,  but on the greater stage of human life;  and so in endless

other cases. 

PROTARCHUS: I do not see how any one can deny what you say,  Socrates,  however eager he may be to

assert the opposite opinion. 

SOCRATES: I mentioned anger, desire, sorrow, fear, love,  emulation, envy,  and similar emotions, as

examples in which we should  find a mixture of the  two elements so often named; did I not? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: We may observe that our conclusions hitherto have  had reference  only to sorrow and envy and

anger. 

PROTARCHUS: I see. 

SOCRATES: Then many other cases still remain? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And why do you suppose me to have pointed out to  you the  admixture which takes place in

comedy?  Why but to convince  you that there  was no difficulty in showing the mixed nature of fear  and love

and similar  affections; and I thought that when I had given  you the illustration, you  would have let me off,

and have acknowledged  as a general truth that the  body without the soul, and the soul  without the body, as

well as the two  united, are susceptible of all  sorts of admixtures of pleasures and pains;  and so further

discussion  would have been unnecessary.  And now I want to  know whether I may  depart; or will you keep

me here until midnight?  I  fancy that I may  obtain my release without many words;if I promise that

tomorrow I  will give you an account of all these cases.  But at present I  would  rather sail in another

direction, and go to other matters which  remain  to be settled, before the judgment can be given which

Philebus  demands. 

PROTARCHUS: Very good, Socrates; in what remains take your  own course. 

SOCRATES: Then after the mixed pleasures the unmixed should  have their  turn; this is the natural and

necessary order. 

PROTARCHUS: Excellent. 

SOCRATES: These, in turn, then, I will now endeavour to  indicate; for with  the maintainers of the opinion

that all pleasures  are a cessation of pain,  I do not agree, but, as I was saying, I use  them as witnesses, that

there  are pleasures which seem only and are  not, and there are others again which  have great power and

appear in  many forms, yet are intermingled with pains,  and are partly  alleviations of agony and distress, both

of body and mind. 

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SOCRATES: True pleasures are those which are given by beauty  of colour and  form, and most of those

which arise from smells; those  of sound, again, and  in general those of which the want is painless  and

unconscious, and of  which the fruition is palpable to sense and  pleasant and unalloyed with  pain. 

PROTARCHUS: Once more, Socrates, I must ask what you mean. 

SOCRATES: My meaning is certainly not obvious, and I will  endeavour to be  plainer.  I do not mean by

beauty of form such beauty  as that of animals or  pictures, which the many would suppose to be my  meaning;

but, says the  argument, understand me to mean straight lines  and circles, and the plane  or solid figures which

are formed out of  them by turninglathes and rulers  and measurers of angles; for these I  affirm to be not only

relatively  beautiful, like other things, but  they are eternally and absolutely  beautiful, and they have peculiar

pleasures, quite unlike the pleasures of  scratching.  And there are  colours which are of the same character, and

have similar pleasures;  now do you understand my meaning? 

PROTARCHUS: I am trying to understand, Socrates, and I hope  that you will  try to make your meaning

clearer. 

SOCRATES: When sounds are smooth and clear, and have a  single pure tone,  then I mean to say that they

are not relatively but  absolutely beautiful,  and have natural pleasures associated with them. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, there are such pleasures. 

SOCRATES: The pleasures of smell are of a less ethereal  sort, but they  have no necessary admixture of

pain; and all pleasures,  however and  wherever experienced, which are unattended by pains, I  assign to an

analogous class.  Here then are two kinds of pleasures. 

PROTARCHUS: I understand. 

SOCRATES: To these may be added the pleasures of knowledge,  if no hunger  of knowledge and no pain

caused by such hunger precede  them. 

PROTARCHUS: And this is the case. 

SOCRATES: Well, but if a man who is full of knowledge loses  his knowledge,  are there not pains of

forgetting? 

PROTARCHUS: Not necessarily, but there may be times of  reflection, when he  feels grief at the loss of his

knowledge. 

SOCRATES: Yes, my friend, but at present we are enumerating  only the  natural perceptions, and have

nothing to do with reflection. 

PROTARCHUS: In that case you are right in saying that the  loss of  knowledge is not attended with pain. 

SOCRATES: These pleasures of knowledge, then, are unmixed  with pain; and  they are not the pleasures of

the many but of a very  few. 

PROTARCHUS: Quite true. 

SOCRATES: And now, having fairly separated the pure  pleasures and those  which may be rightly termed

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but that  those which are not in excess have measure;  the great, the excessive,  whether more or less frequent,

we shall be  right in referring to the class  of the infinite, and of the more and  less, which pours through body

and  soul alike; and the others we shall  refer to the class which has measure. 

PROTARCHUS: Quite right, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: Still there is something more to be considered  about pleasures. 

PROTARCHUS: What is it? 

SOCRATES: When you speak of purity and clearness, or of  excess, abundance,  greatness and sufficiency, in

what relation do  these terms stand to truth? 

PROTARCHUS: Why do you ask, Socrates? 

SOCRATES: Because, Protarchus, I should wish to test  pleasure and  knowledge in every possible way, in

order that if there  be a pure and  impure element in either of them, I may present the pure  element for

judgment, and then they will be more easily judged of by  you and by me and  by all of us. 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: Let us investigate all the pure kinds; first  selecting for  consideration a single instance. 

PROTARCHUS: What instance shall we select? 

SOCRATES: Suppose that we first of all take whiteness. 

PROTARCHUS: Very good. 

SOCRATES: How can there be purity in whiteness, and what  purity?  Is that  purest which is greatest or most

in quantity, or that  which is most  unadulterated and freest from any admixture of other  colours? 

PROTARCHUS: Clearly that which is most unadulterated. 

SOCRATES: True, Protarchus; and so the purest white, and not  the greatest  or largest in quantity, is to be

deemed truest and most  beautiful? 

PROTARCHUS: Right. 

SOCRATES: And we shall be quite right in saying that a  little pure white  is whiter and fairer and truer than

a great deal  that is mixed. 

PROTARCHUS: Perfectly right. 

SOCRATES: There is no need of adducing many similar examples  in  illustration of the argument about

pleasure; one such is sufficient  to  prove to us that a small pleasure or a small amount of pleasure, if  pure or

unalloyed with pain, is always pleasanter and truer and fairer  than a great  pleasure or a great amount of

pleasure of another kind. 

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SOCRATES: But what do you say of another question:have we  not heard that  pleasure is always a

generation, and has no true being?  Do not certain  ingenious philosophers teach this doctrine, and ought  not

we to be grateful  to them? 

PROTARCHUS: What do they mean? 

SOCRATES: I will explain to you, my dear Protarchus, what  they mean, by  putting a question. 

PROTARCHUS: Ask, and I will answer. 

SOCRATES: I assume that there are two natures, one  selfexistent, and the  other ever in want of something. 

PROTARCHUS: What manner of natures are they? 

SOCRATES: The one majestic ever, the other inferior. 

PROTARCHUS: You speak riddles. 

SOCRATES: You have seen loves good and fair, and also brave  lovers of  them. 

PROTARCHUS: I should think so. 

SOCRATES: Search the universe for two terms which are like  these two and  are present everywhere. 

PROTARCHUS: Yet a third time I must say, Be a little  plainer, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: There is no difficulty, Protarchus; the argument  is only in  play, and insinuates that some things

are for the sake of  something else  (relatives), and that other things are the ends to  which the former class

subserve (absolutes). 

PROTARCHUS: Your many repetitions make me slow to  understand. 

SOCRATES: As the argument proceeds, my boy, I dare say that  the meaning  will become clearer. 

PROTARCHUS: Very likely. 

SOCRATES: Here are two new principles. 

PROTARCHUS: What are they? 

SOCRATES: One is the generation of all things, and the other  is essence. 

PROTARCHUS: I readily accept from you both generation and  essence. 

SOCRATES: Very right; and would you say that generation is  for the sake of  essence, or essence for the

sake of generation? 

PROTARCHUS: You want to know whether that which is called  essence is,  properly speaking, for the sake

of generation? 

SOCRATES: Yes. 


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PROTARCHUS: By the gods, I wish that you would repeat your  question. 

SOCRATES: I mean, O my Protarchus, to ask whether you would  tell me that  shipbuilding is for the sake

of ships, or ships for the  sake of ship  building? and in all similar cases I should ask the same  question. 

PROTARCHUS: Why do you not answer yourself, Socrates? 

SOCRATES: I have no objection, but you must take your part. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: My answer is, that all things instrumental,  remedial, material,  are given to us with a view to

generation, and  that each generation is  relative to, or for the sake of, some being or  essence, and that the

whole  of generation is relative to the whole of  essence. 

PROTARCHUS: Assuredly. 

SOCRATES: Then pleasure, being a generation, must surely be  for the sake  of some essence? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And that for the sake of which something else is  done must be  placed in the class of good, and

that which is done for  the sake of  something else, in some other class, my good friend. 

PROTARCHUS: Most certainly. 

SOCRATES: Then pleasure, being a generation, will be rightly  placed in  some other class than that of good? 

PROTARCHUS: Quite right. 

SOCRATES: Then, as I said at first, we ought to be very  grateful to him  who first pointed out that pleasure

was a generation  only, and had no true  being at all; for he is clearly one who laughs  at the notion of pleasure

being a good. 

PROTARCHUS: Assuredly. 

SOCRATES: And he would surely laugh also at those who make  generation  their highest end. 

PROTARCHUS: Of whom are you speaking, and what do they mean? 

SOCRATES: I am speaking of those who when they are cured of  hunger or  thirst or any other defect by

some process of generation are  delighted at  the process as if it were pleasure; and they say that  they would

not wish  to live without these and other feelings of a like  kind which might be  mentioned. 

PROTARCHUS: That is certainly what they appear to think. 

SOCRATES: And is not destruction universally admitted to be  the opposite  of generation? 

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SOCRATES: Then he who chooses thus, would choose generation  and  destruction rather than that third sort

of life, in which, as we  were  saying, was neither pleasure nor pain, but only the purest  possible  thought. 

PROTARCHUS: He who would make us believe pleasure to be a  good is involved  in great absurdities,

Socrates. 

SOCRATES: Great, indeed; and there is yet another of them. 

PROTARCHUS: What is it? 

SOCRATES: Is there not an absurdity in arguing that there is  nothing good  or noble in the body, or in

anything else, but that good  is in the soul  only, and that the only good of the soul is pleasure;  and that courage

or  temperance or understanding, or any other good of  the soul, is not really a  good?and is there not yet a

further  absurdity in our being compelled to  say that he who has a feeling of  pain and not of pleasure is bad at

the  time when he is suffering pain,  even though he be the best of men; and  again, that he who has a  feeling of

pleasure, in so far as he is pleased at  the time when he is  pleased, in that degree excels in virtue? 

PROTARCHUS: Nothing, Socrates, can be more irrational than  all this. 

SOCRATES: And now, having subjected pleasure to every sort  of test, let us  not appear to be too sparing of

mind and knowledge:  let us ring their  metal bravely, and see if there be unsoundness in  any part, until we

have  found out what in them is of the purest  nature; and then the truest  elements both of pleasure and

knowledge  may be brought up for judgment. 

PROTARCHUS: Right. 

SOCRATES: Knowledge has two parts,the one productive, and  the other  educational? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And in the productive or handicraft arts, is not  one part more  akin to knowledge, and the other

less; and may not the  one part be regarded  as the pure, and the other as the impure? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Let us separate the superior or dominant elements  in each of  them. 

PROTARCHUS: What are they, and how do you separate them? 

SOCRATES: I mean to say, that if arithmetic, mensuration,  and weighing be  taken away from any art, that

which remains will not  be much. 

PROTARCHUS: Not much, certainly. 

SOCRATES: The rest will be only conjecture, and the better  use of the  senses which is given by experience

and practice, in  addition to a certain  power of guessing, which is commonly called art,  and is perfected by

attention and pains. 

PROTARCHUS: Nothing more, assuredly. 


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SOCRATES: Music, for instance, is full of this empiricism;  for sounds are  harmonized, not by measure, but

by skilful conjecture;  the music of the  flute is always trying to guess the pitch of each  vibrating note, and is

therefore mixed up with much that is doubtful  and has little which is  certain. 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: And the same will be found to hold good of  medicine and  husbandry and piloting and

generalship. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: The art of the builder, on the other hand, which  uses a number  of measures and instruments,

attains by their help to a  greater degree of  accuracy than the other arts. 

PROTARCHUS: How is that? 

SOCRATES: In shipbuilding and housebuilding, and in other  branches of  the art of carpentering, the

builder has his rule, lathe,  compass, line,  and a most ingenious machine for straightening wood. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: Then now let us divide the arts of which we were  speaking into  two kinds,the arts which,

like music, are less exact  in their results,  and those which, like carpentering, are more exact. 

PROTARCHUS: Let us make that division. 

SOCRATES: Of the latter class, the most exact of all are  those which we  just now spoke of as primary. 

PROTARCHUS: I see that you mean arithmetic, and the kindred  arts of  weighing and measuring. 

SOCRATES: Certainly, Protarchus; but are not these also  distinguishable  into two kinds? 

PROTARCHUS: What are the two kinds? 

SOCRATES: In the first place, arithmetic is of two kinds,  one of which is  popular, and the other

philosophical. 

PROTARCHUS: How would you distinguish them? 

SOCRATES: There is a wide difference between them,  Protarchus; some  arithmeticians reckon unequal

units; as for example,  two armies, two oxen,  two very large things or two very small things.  The party who

are opposed  to them insist that every unit in ten  thousand must be the same as every  other unit. 

PROTARCHUS: Undoubtedly there is, as you say, a great  difference among the  votaries of the science; and

there may be  reasonably supposed to be two  sorts of arithmetic. 

SOCRATES: And when we compare the art of mensuration which  is used in  building with philosophical

geometry, or the art of  computation which is  used in trading with exact calculation, shall we  say of either of

the pairs  that it is one or two? 

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SOCRATES: Right; but do you understand why I have discussed  the subject? 

PROTARCHUS: I think so, but I should like to be told by you. 

SOCRATES: The argument has all along been seeking a parallel  to pleasure,  and true to that original design,

has gone on to ask  whether one sort of  knowledge is purer than another, as one pleasure  is purer than another. 

PROTARCHUS: Clearly; that was the intention. 

SOCRATES: And has not the argument in what has preceded,  already shown  that the arts have different

provinces, and vary in  their degrees of  certainty? 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And just now did not the argument first designate  a particular  art by a common term, thus

making us believe in the unity  of that art; and  then again, as if speaking of two different things,  proceed to

enquire  whether the art as pursed by philosophers, or as  pursued by non  philosophers, has more of certainty

and purity? 

PROTARCHUS: That is the very question which the argument is  asking. 

SOCRATES: And how, Protarchus, shall we answer the enquiry? 

PROTARCHUS: O Socrates, we have reached a point at which the  difference of  clearness in different kinds

of knowledge is enormous. 

SOCRATES: Then the answer will be the easier. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly; and let us say in reply, that those  arts into which  arithmetic and mensuration

enter, far surpass all  others; and that of these  the arts or sciences which are animated by  the pure philosophic

impulse are  infinitely superior in accuracy and  truth. 

SOCRATES: Then this is your judgment; and this is the answer  which, upon  your authority, we will give to

all masters of the art of  misinterpretation? 

PROTARCHUS: What answer? 

SOCRATES: That there are two arts of arithmetic, and two of  mensuration;  and also several other arts which

in like manner have  this double nature,  and yet only one name. 

PROTARCHUS: Let us boldly return this answer to the masters  of whom you  speak, Socrates, and hope for

good luck. 

SOCRATES: We have explained what we term the most exact arts  or sciences. 

PROTARCHUS: Very good. 

SOCRATES: And yet, Protarchus, dialectic will refuse to  acknowledge us, if  we do not award to her the first

place. 

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SOCRATES: Clearly the science which has to do with all that  knowledge of  which we are now speaking; for

I am sure that all men who  have a grain of  intelligence will admit that the knowledge which has  to do with

being and  reality, and sameness and unchangeableness, is by  far the truest of all.  But how would you decide

this question,  Protarchus? 

PROTARCHUS: I have often heard Gorgias maintain, Socrates,  that the art of  persuasion far surpassed

every other; this, as he  says, is by far the best  of them all, for to it all things submit, not  by compulsion, but of

their  own free will.  Now, I should not like to  quarrel either with you or with  him. 

SOCRATES: You mean to say that you would like to desert, if  you were not  ashamed? 

PROTARCHUS: As you please. 

SOCRATES: May I not have led you into a misapprehension? 

PROTARCHUS: How? 

SOCRATES: Dear Protarchus, I never asked which was the  greatest or best or  usefullest of arts or sciences,

but which had  clearness and accuracy, and  the greatest amount of truth, however  humble and little useful an

art.  And  as for Gorgias, if you do not  deny that his art has the advantage in  usefulness to mankind, he will  not

quarrel with you for saying that the  study of which I am speaking  is superior in this particular of essential

truth; as in the  comparison of white colours, a little whiteness, if that  little be  only pure, was said to be

superior in truth to a great mass which  is  impure.  And now let us give our best attention and consider well,

not  the comparative use or reputation of the sciences, but the power or  faculty, if there be such, which the

soul has of loving the truth, and  of  doing all things for the sake of it; let us search into the pure  element of

mind and intelligence, and then we shall be able to say  whether the science  of which I have been speaking is

most likely to  possess the faculty, or  whether there be some other which has higher  claims. 

PROTARCHUS: Well, I have been considering, and I can hardly  think that any  other science or art has a

firmer grasp of the truth  than this. 

SOCRATES: Do you say so because you observe that the arts in  general and  those engaged in them make

use of opinion, and are  resolutely engaged in  the investigation of matters of opinion?  Even  he who supposes

himself to  be occupied with nature is really occupied  with the things of this world,  how created, how acting

or acted upon.  Is not this the sort of enquiry in  which his life is spent? 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: He is labouring, not after eternal being, but  about things which  are becoming, or which will or

have become. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And can we say that any of these things which  neither are nor  have been nor will be

unchangeable, when judged by the  strict rule of truth  ever become certain? 

PROTARCHUS: Impossible. 

SOCRATES: How can anything fixed be concerned with that  which has no  fixedness? 

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SOCRATES: Then mind and science when employed about such  changing things  do not attain the highest

truth? 

PROTARCHUS: I should imagine not. 

SOCRATES: And now let us bid farewell, a long farewell, to  you or me or  Philebus or Gorgias, and urge on

behalf of the argument a  single point. 

PROTARCHUS: What point? 

SOCRATES: Let us say that the stable and pure and true and  unalloyed has  to do with the things which are

eternal and unchangeable  and unmixed, or if  not, at any rate what is most akin to them has; and  that all other

things  are to be placed in a second or inferior class. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 

SOCRATES: And of the names expressing cognition, ought not  the fairest to  be given to the fairest things? 

PROTARCHUS: That is natural. 

SOCRATES: And are not mind and wisdom the names which are to  be honoured  most? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And these names may be said to have their truest  and most exact  application when the mind is

engaged in the  contemplation of true being? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And these were the names which I adduced of the  rivals of  pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: Very true, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: In the next place, as to the mixture, here are the  ingredients,  pleasure and wisdom, and we may

be compared to artists  who have their  materials ready to their hands. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes. 

SOCRATES: And now we must begin to mix them? 

PROTARCHUS: By all means. 

SOCRATES: But had we not better have a preliminary word and  refresh our  memories? 

PROTARCHUS: Of what? 

SOCRATES: Of that which I have already mentioned.  Well says  the proverb,  that we ought to repeat twice

and even thrice that which  is good. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 


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SOCRATES: Well then, by Zeus, let us proceed, and I will  make what I  believe to be a fair summary of the

argument. 

PROTARCHUS: Let me hear. 

SOCRATES: Philebus says that pleasure is the true end of all  living  beings, at which all ought to aim, and

moreover that it is the  chief good  of all, and that the two names 'good' and 'pleasant' are  correctly given to  one

thing and one nature; Socrates, on the other  hand, begins by denying  this, and further says, that in nature as in

name they are two, and that  wisdom partakes more than pleasure of the  good.  Is not and was not this  what we

were saying, Protarchus? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And is there not and was there not a further point  which was  conceded between us? 

PROTARCHUS: What was it? 

SOCRATES: That the good differs from all other things. 

PROTARCHUS: In what respect? 

SOCRATES: In that the being who possesses good always  everywhere and in  all things has the most perfect

sufficiency, and is  never in need of  anything else. 

PROTARCHUS: Exactly. 

SOCRATES: And did we not endeavour to make an imaginary  separation of  wisdom and pleasure, assigning

to each a distinct life,  so that pleasure  was wholly excluded from wisdom, and wisdom in like  manner had no

part  whatever in pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: We did. 

SOCRATES: And did we think that either of them alone would  be sufficient? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not. 

SOCRATES: And if we erred in any point, then let any one who  will, take up  the enquiry again and set us

right; and assuming memory  and wisdom and  knowledge and true opinion to belong to the same class,  let

him consider  whether he would desire to possess or acquire,I  will not say pleasure,  however abundant or

intense, if he has no real  perception that he is  pleased, nor any consciousness of what he feels,  nor any

recollection,  however momentary, of the feeling,but would he  desire to have anything at  all, if these

faculties were wanting to  him?  And about wisdom I ask the  same question; can you conceive that  any one

would choose to have all  wisdom absolutely devoid of pleasure,  rather than with a certain degree of  pleasure,

or all pleasure devoid  of wisdom, rather than with a certain  degree of wisdom? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly not, Socrates; but why repeat such  questions any  more? 

SOCRATES: Then the perfect and universally eligible and  entirely good  cannot possibly be either of them? 

PROTARCHUS: Impossible. 


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SOCRATES: Then now we must ascertain the nature of the good  more or less  accurately, in order, as we

were saying, that the second  place may be duly  assigned. 

PROTARCHUS: Right. 

SOCRATES: Have we not found a road which leads towards the  good? 

PROTARCHUS: What road? 

SOCRATES: Supposing that a man had to be found, and you  could discover in  what house he lived, would

not that be a great step  towards the discovery  of the man himself? 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And now reason intimates to us, as at our first  beginning, that  we should seek the good, not in

the unmixed life but  in the mixed. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: There is greater hope of finding that which we are  seeking in  the life which is well mixed than

in that which is not? 

PROTARCHUS: Far greater. 

SOCRATES: Then now let us mingle, Protarchus, at the same  time offering up  a prayer to Dionysus or

Hephaestus, or whoever is the  god who presides over  the ceremony of mingling. 

PROTARCHUS: By all means. 

SOCRATES: Are not we the cupbearers? and here are two  fountains which are  flowing at our side:  one,

which is pleasure, may  be likened to a fountain  of honey; the other, wisdom, a sober draught  in which no

wine mingles, is  of water unpleasant but healthful; out of  these we must seek to make the  fairest of all

possible mixtures. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: Tell me first;should we be most likely to  succeed if we  mingled every sort of pleasure with

every sort of  wisdom? 

PROTARCHUS: Perhaps we might. 

SOCRATES: But I should be afraid of the risk, and I think  that I can show  a safer plan. 

PROTARCHUS: What is it? 

SOCRATES: One pleasure was supposed by us to be truer than  another, and  one art to be more exact than

another. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 


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SOCRATES: There was also supposed to be a difference in  sciences; some of  them regarding only the

transient and perishing, and  others the permanent  and imperishable and everlasting and immutable;  and when

judged by the  standard of truth, the latter, as we thought,  were truer than the former. 

PROTARCHUS: Very good and right. 

SOCRATES: If, then, we were to begin by mingling the  sections of each  class which have the most of truth,

will not the  union suffice to give us  the loveliest of lives, or shall we still  want some elements of another

kind? 

PROTARCHUS: I think that we ought to do what you suggest. 

SOCRATES: Let us suppose a man who understands justice, and  has reason as  well as understanding about

the true nature of this and  of all other  things. 

PROTARCHUS: We will suppose such a man. 

SOCRATES: Will he have enough of knowledge if he is  acquainted only with  the divine circle and sphere,

and knows nothing  of our human spheres and  circles, but uses only divine circles and  measures in the

building of a  house? 

PROTARCHUS: The knowledge which is only superhuman,  Socrates, is  ridiculous in man. 

SOCRATES: What do you mean?  Do you mean that you are to  throw into the  cup and mingle the impure

and uncertain art which uses  the false measure  and the false circle? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, we must, if any of us is ever to find his  way home. 

SOCRATES: And am I to include music, which, as I was saying  just now, is  full of guesswork and

imitation, and is wanting in  purity? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, I think that you must, if human life is to  be a life at  all. 

SOCRATES: Well, then, suppose that I give way, and, like a  doorkeeper who  is pushed and overborne by

the mob, I open the door  wide, and let knowledge  of every sort stream in, and the pure mingle  with the

impure? 

PROTARCHUS: I do not know, Socrates, that any great harm  would come of  having them all, if only you

have the first sort. 

SOCRATES: Well, then, shall I let them all flow into what  Homer poetically  terms 'a meeting of the waters'? 

PROTARCHUS: By all means. 

SOCRATES: ThereI have let them in, and now I must return  to the fountain  of pleasure.  For we were not

permitted to begin by  mingling in a single  stream the true portions of both according to our  original intention;

but  the love of all knowledge constrained us to  let all the sciences flow in  together before the pleasures. 

PROTARCHUS: Quite true. 


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SOCRATES: And now the time has come for us to consider about  the pleasures  also, whether we shall in

like manner let them go all at  once, or at first  only the true ones. 

PROTARCHUS: It will be by far the safer course to let flow  the true ones  first. 

SOCRATES: Let them flow, then; and now, if there are any  necessary  pleasures, as there were arts and

sciences necessary, must  we not mingle  them? 

PROTARCHUS: Yes; the necessary pleasures should certainly be  allowed to  mingle. 

SOCRATES: The knowledge of the arts has been admitted to be  innocent and  useful always; and if we say

of pleasures in like manner  that all of them  are good and innocent for all of us at all times, we  must let them

all  mingle? 

PROTARCHUS: What shall we say about them, and what course  shall we take? 

SOCRATES: Do not ask me, Protarchus; but ask the daughters  of pleasure and  wisdom to answer for

themselves. 

PROTARCHUS: How? 

SOCRATES: Tell us, O belovedshall we call you pleasures or  by some other  name?would you rather

live with or without wisdom?  I  am of opinion that  they would certainly answer as follows: 

PROTARCHUS: How? 

SOCRATES: They would answer, as we said before, that for any  single class  to be left by itself pure and

isolated is not good, nor  altogether  possible; and that if we are to make comparisons of one  class with another

and choose, there is no better companion than  knowledge of things in  general, and likewise the perfect

knowledge, if  that may be, of ourselves  in every respect. 

PROTARCHUS: And our answer will be:In that ye have spoken  well. 

SOCRATES: Very true.  And now let us go back and interrogate  wisdom and  mind:  Would you like to have

any pleasures in the mixture?  And they will  reply:'What pleasures do you mean?' 

PROTARCHUS: Likely enough. 

SOCRATES: And we shall take up our parable and say:  Do you  wish to have  the greatest and most

vehement pleasures for your  companions in addition to  the true ones?  'Why, Socrates,' they will  say, 'how can

we? seeing that  they are the source of ten thousand  hindrances to us; they trouble the  souls of men, which are

our  habitation, with their madness; they prevent us  from coming to the  birth, and are commonly the ruin of

the children which  are born to us,  causing them to be forgotten and unheeded; but the true and  pure  pleasures,

of which you spoke, know to be of our family, and also  those pleasures which accompany health and

temperance, and which every  Virtue, like a goddess, has in her train to follow her about wherever  she

goes,mingle these and not the others; there would be great want  of sense  in any one who desires to see a

fair and perfect mixture, and  to find in it  what is the highest good in man and in the universe, and  to divine

what is  the true form of goodthere would be great want of  sense in his allowing  the pleasures, which are

always in the company  of folly and vice, to mingle  with mind in the cup.'Is not this a  very rational and

suitable reply,  which mind has made, both on her own  behalf, as well as on the behalf of  memory and true

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PROTARCHUS: Most certainly. 

SOCRATES: And still there must be something more added,  which is a  necessary ingredient in every

mixture. 

PROTARCHUS: What is that? 

SOCRATES: Unless truth enter into the composition, nothing  can truly be  created or subsist. 

PROTARCHUS: Impossible. 

SOCRATES: Quite impossible; and now you and Philebus must  tell me whether  anything is still wanting in

the mixture, for to my  way of thinking the  argument is now completed, and may be compared to  an

incorporeal law, which  is going to hold fair rule over a living  body. 

PROTARCHUS: I agree with you, Socrates. 

SOCRATES: And may we not say with reason that we are now at  the vestibule  of the habitation of the

good? 

PROTARCHUS: I think that we are. 

SOCRATES: What, then, is there in the mixture which is most  precious, and  which is the principal cause

why such a state is  universally beloved by  all?  When we have discovered it, we will  proceed to ask whether

this  omnipresent nature is more akin to  pleasure or to mind. 

PROTARCHUS: Quite right; in that way we shall be better able  to judge. 

SOCRATES: And there is no difficulty in seeing the cause  which renders any  mixture either of the highest

value or of none at  all. 

PROTARCHUS: What do you mean? 

SOCRATES: Every man knows it. 

PROTARCHUS: What? 

SOCRATES: He knows that any want of measure and symmetry in  any mixture  whatever must always of

necessity be fatal, both to the  elements and to the  mixture, which is then not a mixture, but only a  confused

medley which  brings confusion on the possessor of it. 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: And now the power of the good has retired into the  region of the  beautiful; for measure and

symmetry are beauty and  virtue all the world  over. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: Also we said that truth was to form an element in  the mixture. 

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SOCRATES: Then, if we are not able to hunt the good with one  idea only,  with three we may catch our

prey; Beauty, Symmetry, Truth  are the three,  and these taken together we may regard as the single  cause of

the mixture,  and the mixture as being good by reason of the  infusion of them. 

PROTARCHUS: Quite right. 

SOCRATES: And now, Protarchus, any man could decide well  enough whether  pleasure or wisdom is more

akin to the highest good,  and more honourable  among gods and men. 

PROTARCHUS: Clearly, and yet perhaps the argument had better  be pursued to  the end. 

SOCRATES: We must take each of them separately in their  relation to  pleasure and mind, and pronounce

upon them; for we ought  to see to which of  the two they are severally most akin. 

PROTARCHUS: You are speaking of beauty, truth, and measure? 

SOCRATES: Yes, Protarchus, take truth first, and, after  passing in review  mind, truth, pleasure, pause

awhile and make answer  to yourselfas to  whether pleasure or mind is more akin to truth. 

PROTARCHUS: There is no need to pause, for the difference  between them is  palpable; pleasure is the

veriest impostor in the  world; and it is said  that in the pleasures of love, which appear to  be the greatest,

perjury is  excused by the gods; for pleasures, like  children, have not the least  particle of reason in them;

whereas mind  is either the same as truth, or  the most like truth, and the truest. 

SOCRATES: Shall we next consider measure, in like manner,  and ask whether  pleasure has more of this

than wisdom, or wisdom than  pleasure? 

PROTARCHUS: Here is another question which may be easily  answered; for I  imagine that nothing can

ever be more immoderate than  the transports of  pleasure, or more in conformity with measure than  mind and

knowledge. 

SOCRATES: Very good; but there still remains the third test:  Has mind a  greater share of beauty than

pleasure, and is mind or  pleasure the fairer  of the two? 

PROTARCHUS: No one, Socrates, either awake or dreaming, ever  saw or  imagined mind or wisdom to be

in aught unseemly, at any time,  past,  present, or future. 

SOCRATES: Right. 

PROTARCHUS: But when we see some one indulging in pleasures,  perhaps in  the greatest of pleasures, the

ridiculous or disgraceful  nature of the  action makes us ashamed; and so we put them out of  sight, and consign

them  to darkness, under the idea that they ought  not to meet the eye of day. 

SOCRATES: Then, Protarchus, you will proclaim everywhere, by  word of mouth  to this company, and by

messengers bearing the tidings  far and wide, that  pleasure is not the first of possessions, nor yet  the second,

but that in  measure, and the mean, and the suitable, and  the like, the eternal nature  has been found. 

PROTARCHUS: Yes, that seems to be the result of what has  been now said. 

SOCRATES: In the second class is contained the symmetrical  and beautiful  and perfect or sufficient, and all

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PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: And if you reckon in the third dass mind and  wisdom, you will  not be far wrong, if I divine

aright. 

PROTARCHUS: I dare say. 

SOCRATES: And would you not put in the fourth class the  goods which we  were affirming to appertain

specially to the  soulsciences and arts and  true opinions as we called them?  These  come after the third

class, and  form the fourth, as they are certainly  more akin to good than pleasure is. 

PROTARCHUS: Surely. 

SOCRATES: The fifth class are the pleasures which were  defined by us as  painless, being the pure pleasures

of the soul  herself, as we termed them,  which accompany, some the sciences, and  some the senses. 

PROTARCHUS: Perhaps. 

SOCRATES: And now, as Orpheus says, 

'With the sixth generation cease the glory of my song.' 

Here, at the sixth award, let us make an end; all that remains is  to set  the crown on our discourse. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: Then let us sum up and reassert what has been  said, thus  offering the third libation to the

saviour Zeus. 

PROTARCHUS: How? 

SOCRATES: Philebus affirmed that pleasure was always and  absolutely the  good. 

PROTARCHUS: I understand; this third libation, Socrates, of  which you  spoke, meant a recapitulation. 

SOCRATES: Yes, but listen to the sequel; convinced of what I  have just  been saying, and feeling indignant

at the doctrine, which is  maintained,  not by Philebus only, but by thousands of others, I  affirmed that mind

was  far better and far more excellent, as an  element of human life, than  pleasure. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: But, suspecting that there were other things which  were also  better, I went on to say that if

there was anything better  than either,  then I would claim the second place for mind over  pleasure, and

pleasure  would lose the second place as well as the  first. 

PROTARCHUS: You did. 

SOCRATES: Nothing could be more satisfactorily shown than  the  unsatisfactory nature of both of them. 

PROTARCHUS: Very true. 


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SOCRATES: The claims both of pleasure and mind to be the  absolute good  have been entirely disproven in

this argument, because  they are both  wanting in selfsufficiency and also in adequacy and  perfection. 

PROTARCHUS: Most true. 

SOCRATES: But, though they must both resign in favour of  another, mind is  ten thousand times nearer and

more akin to the nature  of the conqueror than  pleasure. 

PROTARCHUS: Certainly. 

SOCRATES: And, according to the judgment which has now been  given,  pleasure will rank fifth. 

PROTARCHUS: True. 

SOCRATES: But not first; no, not even if all the oxen and  horses and  animals in the world by their pursuit

of enjoyment proclaim  her to be so;  although the many trusting in them, as diviners trust  in birds,

determine  that pleasures make up the good of life, and deem  the lusts of animals to  be better witnesses than

the inspirations of  divine philosophy. 

PROTARCHUS: And now, Socrates, we tell you that the truth of  what you have  been saying is approved by

the judgment of all of us. 

SOCRATES: And will you let me go? 

PROTARCHUS: There is a little which yet remains, and I will  remind you of  it, for I am sure that you will

not be the first to go  away from an  argument. 

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